Draft Issues

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Hard at Werk

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Dec 10, 2009
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Western MA
It has been almost a year since I got my gasser going. Aside from a couple of small things, happy so far except for one really annoying bit. Every time I go to reload, there's smoke pouring out of the chamber. I have tried many different ways of opening the doors with no success. My situation is I have a house that is 5 years old with a smoke stak about 25' -27' from eyeballing it. Thinking of getting an inline draft inducer to cut into my 8" pipe before it feeds int the flue. Does anyone have experience with these blowers and would any one recommend a specific brand or type? My guess is I would only turn it on while feeding because draft is fine once the boiler door is shut and it's running. Just Tired of eating smoke. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Well off to feed the boiler and into my warm bed, compliments of Econoburn.
 
This has been hashed around several different times. Most of the posts I've seen are that they work to a point.....but the best solution is to build/buy a draft hood to get rid of any smoke. Mine is in a pole barn so I really don't care that I produce allot of smoke when I don't wait for coals to refill, but if I had it in my house, I would look for a stove/oven fan that someone has taken out of a house and they are dumping it.
 
If there is any chance that it is a wind induced back draft this works well.
http://www.vacustack.com/ ( not sure how well this would work with a barometric damper )
When I load my Tarm I keep my top door only open an inch or two while I get the next pieces of wood. If I leave door wide open I get smoke into room.
Do you have a window or door near stove you could try opening a bit while loading? Many new homes are so tight they don't allow for a good draft.
 
First let's eliminate the obvious blockage possibilities. Clean chimney; no large ash accumulation in the flue connecting pipe, top and bottom chambers; and clean heat tubes in the back of the boiler. If all of those are ok, then are you trying to reload on top a currently-smoking fire? The only time smoke ever comes out of my EB (also in the basement) is if I open the door with a partial load going. Loading either an empty boiler or on top of a coal bed produces little or no smoke. The loading process, of course, needs to happen quickly and efficiently - here's what works well for me. 1) crack the loading door and take a peek; 2) if no smoke is rolling around inside, open the door and begin feeding; 3) finish loading as quickly as possible, shut the door and don't open again until the next feeding. But, if your problems are only when starting a cold boiler, using lots of small, dry kindling will help get a good initial fire going. First let that fire get cooking, and then load quickly on top of that.
 
Chimney and pipes are clean, cleaned the boiler pipes two days ago, have a chimney cap. I have a basement window that I crack when I feed it. The problem is ,there is no see through window so I have to open the door to see what's cookin at which point smoke makes it's escape. Sometimes alot of smoke, sometimes barely any, but when I'm loading, even on a hot bed of coals, the wood starts smoking instantly. So the 15 secs it takes me to load the boiler that's a lot of smoke. My question is will an in line draft inducer eliminate all smoke or more like 50/50 ?
 
There was a guy here last spring that had a problem with smoke backing up into his building. turned out to be a plugged up chimney cap. You might check yours and/or remove it. they will definitely restrict your draft to some extent.
 
If you've really investigated all other potential issues.....

For $120 this seems like a good item to try:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...m_ven=Aggregates&cm_cat=Google&cm_pla=Heaters, Stoves + Fireplaces>Heater, Stove + Fireplace Accessories&cm_ite=18002?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=18002

I would only run it when you are about to open the door and load fuel otherwise it will cut down your system efficiency.
 
Hard at Werk said:
Chimney and pipes are clean, cleaned the boiler pipes two days ago, have a chimney cap. I have a basement window that I crack when I feed it. The problem is ,there is no see through window so I have to open the door to see what's cookin at which point smoke makes it's escape. Sometimes alot of smoke, sometimes barely any, but when I'm loading, even on a hot bed of coals, the wood starts smoking instantly. So the 15 secs it takes me to load the boiler that's a lot of smoke. My question is will an in line draft inducer eliminate all smoke or more like 50/50 ?
-I have a Econoburn 100 in my basement that has been a fantastic addition to my house. The only issue I have is the smoke when loading. In an effort to reduce this I installed a Volko AD-1 draft inducer in flue fan (cost $155 bucks online -google volko AD-1 draft inducer) in my flue . This fan eliminated about 50% of my smoke issues and works fairly well , but I still have to load quickly and control my door opening technique to keep smoke release to a minimum. Additionally the fan helps with fire starting and cleaning. (it draws the fine ash dust remnants out the flue when I am cleaning out the burn chambers.) I wired the fan to a manual toggle switch on my boiler control panel and in addition a button switch that is activated off when the draft door lever is closed as a idiot type switch so the fan will always be off when the boiler is in active mode. As an alternative solution, I know Dale at Econoburn sells smoke hoods that you would install a draw fan in to exhaust the smoke outdoors like the exhaust hood in a kitchen. Good luck Bruce
 
I think the hood is too much work and the inducer is the easiest solution. I just hope it doesn't interfere with normal operation of the boiler. I am going to order one today. Thanks to all that chimed in.
 
Hard at Werk said:
I think the hood is too much work and the inducer is the easiest solution. I just hope it doesn't interfere with normal operation of the boiler. I am going to order one today. Thanks to all that chimed in.



I have been down this road with my eko 60. Draft inducer $150.00= fail

I installed a power attic fan in my roof then ducted it down thru the celing to a old oven vent hood. = no smoke in my building

Save yourself time and money and do it right the first time.

Rob
 
In order for me to to make an exhaust fan over the boiler I have to go through A lot of headaches. I have to put a hole in the house somewhere. For me this would be a cheap and easy fix, granted it did just that. I plan on putting the fan on the pipe just before it hits the flue. That leaves a good 3' of pipe between boiler and fan. Also I saw a fan by Tjernlund, the D-3 model, it has a flap to help it direct air in the direction of natural flow. So it's not just blowing air into the pipe. Have read a bunch of reviews. To me sounds like about 70% - 80% of the people are happy, and there were some with no draft whatsoever. I have some draft, just not enough. And I'll be honest there are times when I get away without any or minimal smoke escaping.
 
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