Insulating liner with a 9x13 flue tile

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highlife

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Oct 21, 2010
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Michigan
Hello, getting a liner and insert installed soon. The installer measured the flue tiles to be 9x13, outside dimension. When asking about insulating the steel liner, he said 90% the time he does not do it. He usually insulates the top only. He said he would put insulation on the bottom if I wanted. Back to the liner, There is not enough room for an insulated wrapped liner, and he has never used vermiculite or blown in insulation. Can I use a smaller diameter liner to connect to the 6" stove? It is a 27' chimney, on outside wall of house.

Thanks.
 
I disagree with this installer. Is he WETT certified? It shouldn't be that hard an install if it is a straight chimney with no offsets. However, with a 27' flue I'd consider a 5.5" insulated liner. I'd also put in a proper damper seal (bottom block off plate) to get the best performance from the insert.
 
Well, you probably won't be able to get a 6" liner wrapped with blanket insulation down that flue. MAYBE, but it would be tight. If it doesn't fit you will need to break out and remove the old flue tile. For poured in insulation you will certainly have to remove the old tile to give it the 1" minimum thickness for it's UL listing/code compliance.

FWIW, we insulate every solid fuel liner we install for legal, code, and performance reasons. But, if your local building inspector/fire marshal says you don't have to, as far as code is concerned you don't have to.
 
Without insulating there is a good chance you void warranty on the liner as well. Not 100 percent thou.
 
I was thinking with a slight bit of ovalizing that it might make it, but only if it is clean straight shot down the pipe.
 
I am not sure if this guy is WETT certified. He says he has been installing for over 10 years. He said he may have to ovalize the liner to fit it in, thats without the insulating. I will ask him about using a 5.5 inch insulated vs. a 6" non. I have to believe that would fit with no problem. Like I have heard so many times on this site, do it right the first time! It is a pretty clean shot down the chimney, with a slight bend as it exits the flue tile into the smoke chamber. To clarify, the entire chimney run is 27', the flue tile is approx. 22 ft'. He has never done a damper seal at the bottom (so he says). But he offered to use non face insulation if I wanted. I guess thats better than nothing. Should I use the firmer stuff like roxul?
 
BeGreen said:
I was thinking with a slight bit of ovalizing that it might make it, but only if it is clean straight shot down the pipe.

That's what our installer did. We have the same size chimney. A little bit of ovalizing and the insulated 6" liner went down with no more than the usual fuss.

Steve
 
Does anyone know the inside dimensions of a 9 x 13 flue tile? Installer said even without the insulation, it would be tight especially if there is anything protruding, like mortar, from the seams. Should I insist on an insulated liner even if it means going with a 5.5"?

Thanks!
 
Highlife said:
Does anyone know the inside dimensions of a 9 x 13 flue tile? Installer said even without the insulation, it would be tight especially if there is anything protruding, like mortar, from the seams. Should I insist on an insulated liner even if it means going with a 5.5"?

Thanks!

ID should be about 8x12".. Had my liner removed so no issue getting an insulated liner in afterwards..

Ray
 
Same size chimney. Dropped the liner down the flue, with some minor ovalization needed, at the end of the run. Two years with it in place and very little creosote. Not saying it is 100% the right thing to do, but it works really good. Maybe a professional could have got an insulated liner through that mess of mortar bulges that were in my flue, I don't know. With the temps that I burn at and the lack of creosote that I sweep out every year, I am happy with the application.
 
Another liner option to consider is the Simpson oval duraliner http://www.duravent.com/?page=4a.php . Zero issues with mine, installing or use, and with it being pre-insulated and a smooth metal outer wall, there is nothing to get snagged, or torn on the way down. Plus it is rated for "0/0" clearance to combustibles.
 
Good suggestion Mike, I like that product. It provides a nice clean solution.
 
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