New guy from Delaware

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Mercury220

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May 27, 2010
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Wilmington, DE
Hello all!

I am 23 years old and just bought my first house last summer. I currently have oil heat with radiators which makes my house nice and toasty but my wallet nice and empty. I was raised on fireplaces and such so I would love to add a wood stove to my new house! I was really excited when I saw there was a forum site just for talking fire! I am hoping to find information here regarding laws, permits, and inspection on adding a wood stove. I would love to install it myself (I have been working on cars since I was 18 and I am pretty handy around the house.) but want to make sure I can. As far as my skill level in home renovations is concerned, I just remodeled my master bathroom from top to bottom all by myself.

Well... That is my introduction!
 
Welcome. You have come to the right place. Lots of advice and opinions and some of them even agree sometimes.

Basics: What size house, Floorplan? How well insulated and where do you want to locate the stove? Is there an existing fireplace? What are your visual preferences? Cast iron? Pretty rock soapstone? Steel (what God intended wood stoves to be made of)? Your threshold of pain as far as cost goes? Availability of wood (if it ain't stacked and drying right now it won't be ready for next winter)?
 
Welcome, Merc.
You came to the right place to get info on all phases of burning wood, one of which is acquiring the wood.
If you're planning on burning NEXT winter, your wood should be cut & stacked already.
That being said, in order to determine what stove you need to heat your home, you'll hafta
let us know the layout - pics & diagrams are good - & the square footage.
There is a wealth of info in this forum on different wood burning appliances & their heating capabilities.
Once you decide on a unit, you will have to determine how you want to vent it.
There are a LOT of NFI Wood Burning Certified folks here that can also help you with that phase, as well.
THEN you get to put everything to use by actually burning your wood & we can also help you with that.
You came to the right place, young fella.
Once again, welcome!
 
I can't even remember being 23 yeas old. Is it as much fun as I imagine? %-P Welcome to the forums, Merc! As you've already heard, we need to know all about your house...size, layout, existing fireplace(s), all that kinda stuff. Budget is of concern to you, certainly...folks here will likely make suggestions from one end of that spectrum to the other. We can't even begin to get specific until we know more about your house and your preferences. Again, welcome...and congratulations on owning your home! Rick
 
Welcome Merc, welcome to the "coven" :)

Ditto the get your wood now, get more info posted here, and pics are always welcome :)
 
Greetings Merc. If you like fire, you are at the right place.

Does the house have a fireplace or will this be starting from scratch?
 
Thank you all for the "warm" welcome!

I will post up a floor plan and photos soon. My house is about 1,800 sq feet with no existing fireplace. There is another house close to mine that is the exact same design but it does have a fireplace. I'll snap a picture of that as well.
 
I'm in lower Delaware so I'm not too familiar with what resources you have up in the NCC area. Although, this forum will be your number 1 resource for most things...incredibly wonderful people here...they have taught me a lot.

Anyway, there is a great stove shop in Dover. Check them out here: Byler's Stove Shoppe They are very knowledgeable, helpful and professional. Well worth a an afternoon trip to stop in and talk to them.
 
Welcome to the boards. Some random thoughts this morning as I sip a cup of black coffee:

Stove body: You can go with soapstone, plate steel, or cast iron. Each has its pros and cons, of course. For example, soap stone might not have as high a sustained operating temp range as a plate steel, but soapstone is said to be a softer heat that last longer, as the stones hold heat for a long time. Cast iron and soapstone are generally prettier stoves, but one might argue that it's harder to damage a big plate steel box. But the bottom line is that there are good, reliable manufacturers for each type. Do your research, and pick the stove body that works best for you.

Combustion design: Today's modern, EPA certified stoves achieve their emissions requirements through one of two basic designs: a catalytic or non-catalytic secondary combustion system. The catalytic system works by passing wood smoke/volatile gases through a special ceramic honeycomb treated with special metals. This allows the smoke/volatile gases to combust (called secondary combustion) at around 500F. Catalytic stoves by reputable makers have a reputation for long burn times. The non-catalytic stoves achieve the same secondary combustion results, but they usually do so by using a baffle inside the top of the stove and the introduction of preheated, secondary combustion air via tubes just below the baffle. There is another non-cat design sometimes called a "downdraft" type stove (e.g., the Lopi Leyden by Travis Industries). I have no personal experience with this combustion design, but from what I've read here, it's a "fussier" design and seems to cause significant wear on the refractory package inside the stove. Read more about combustion designs here: http://www.woodheat.org/technology/woodstoves.htm

Fuel: Regardless of combustion design, today's stove work best with wood that is, on average, around 18-22% moisture content. Cat stoves might be argued to prefer the drier of the two, while a non-cat design MIGHT be a little more forgiving. But trust me, there is NO substitute for properly seasoned wood. This means that, (again, on AVERAGE), your wood has been cut, split, and stacked with sufficient wind and sun for around 12 months. Your particular climate will of course affect drying times, but one year is a good average. Some species require more or less. Soft woods like pine, in a hot, dry summer, can be ready in 6 months. Oak, on the other hand, really needs at least 18 months to begin to be ready. Be warned: sellers who advertise "seasoned" wood rarely have what is truly seasoned wood. If you don't have fuel, get it now, split it small.

Manufacturers: Just a quick few off the top of my head...Reliable soapstone makers include Hearthstone (non-cat stoves) and Woodstock (cat stove). Both make good, reliable, and gorgeous stoves. Reliable steel makers include: Travis (Lopi and Avalon), Quadrafire, Pacific Energy, England's Stove Works (Summer's Heat, Englander, and one more), and Blaze King (most popular for their king and princess catalytic models). The most noted cast iron stove here has to be the Jotul F500 Oslo. In my opinion, easily the nicest looking stove on the market, especially the blue/black enamel.

Chimney system: Perhaps two of the most important things here are getting the right sized diameter flue for your appliance to ensure proper draft and making sure it is the minimum height recommended by the manufacturer. If you want a masonry chimney for aesthetics, for example, consider having it lined with an insulated, stainless steel liner in addition to just traditional clay tiles. But today's stainless steel chimney systems from reliable manufacturers are literally designed to last decades. You can get great systems from: Selkirk, Hart & Cooley, ICC (Excel), and Simpson, for example. Just make sure you follow all installation instructions, obey all clearances, and don't mix pipe brands. Also, there are two types of "connector" or "stove" pipe: single and double walled. The single can radiate more heat into a room, but requires 18" CTC (clearance to combustibles); the double wall can have a 6" CTC, depending on your particular stove's final clearance requirements.

Heat type: You'll generally find that a stove leans one way or the other towards being either a radiant heater or a convective heater. Radiant stoves warm pretty much everything around them by radiating heat. They'll generally require a larger footprint due to needed higher clearances. Convection stoves are usually jacketed by a heat shield (like my Lopi Endeavor), and they heat more by pulling cold air in at the floor level and circulating it back into the room via "ducts" in the jacket around the stove body. Many jacketed stoves have low CTCs, but I highly recommend getting the optional blower if you want to get more heat out of your stove.

Further reading: Be sure to check out the Wood Stove Library section at Woodstock's site: http://www.woodstove.com/ Also check out: http://www.woodheat.org for good info. And last but certainly not least, be sure to check member Tom Oyen's valuable site at: http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/library.htm
 
Good tips. If you came directly to the forum, you might have missed a couple of other areas on Hearth.com. Take some time to read the articles here too:
https://www.hearth.com/what/specific.php

Useful tips can be found in the notes at the top of this forum:
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewannounce/13750_2/

and on the wiki-pages (member generated articles):
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Wood_Stove_buying_Primer/
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Live_with_a_wood_stove/

And a final tip: Get (or cut, split and stack) your wood now. Even if it is sold as seasoned, it most likely is only partially dried. For your climate I would have at least 3 cords of wood drying now if the intent is to burn 24/7 or 2 cords if it will be mostly nights and weekends for the next season. Get (or cut) 16" lengths. That will work in most any 2cu ft or larger sized stove.
 
Welcome to the forums! If you have an addictive / obsessive personality type I'll look forward to seeing a lot of you as you get sucked into this :)

Stoves... wood.. oh - and did anyone mention all the fun toys you get to gather? Small ones like wedges, axes, mauls, splitters, 4 wheelers, trailers, trucks... it just keeps getting better and better!

Seems the tone of this thread is to give advice as well as a welcome and I hate to be left out or not comply with the pattern so I'll share this - keep in mind that as hard as it may be to believe there actually might be more opinions here than there are members. Many of us (myself included) hold our opinions in high regard and will defend them quite strongly whether it is stove material (I'm on the soapstone side), baby fences (why wouldn't you get one? heh), or something in between. However, in truth I do believe 99.9% of the folks here do mean well and actually do respect each other however excited the rhetoric may get in the threads.

Oh - and if you can figure out which comes first - Ownerships of a particular stove/technology/toy or loyalty to that stove/technology/toy please do tell!
 
As far as permits and inspections go, its really quite simple. New stoves come with a manual that give you all the required specs for that model (how close to combustibles, etc.). Before putting the stove in, go check with your local inspector at town hall or your municipal building and he'll give you the local codes and come check it out after installation. Dont forget there's a 30% tax credit on EPA approved stoves right now. Bought a Jotul wood stove last year and its by far the best purchase I made for our new house. Propane went from about $250 to $10. Best of luck.
 
Merc,
Welcome, and you've come to the right place. Do some reading and searching and ask questions. The folks around here are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to burning wood. We know other stuff too.
Oh, and I'm with Rick, not real sure I remember being 23. Those were the hazy daze, just like my memory (or lack of one).
 
Welcome to the forum Merc.

Just remember that "Cast Iron is for wood stoves, steel is for snow plows" and you will come out just fine. %-P
 
Jags said:
Welcome to the forum Merc.

Just remember that "Cast Iron is for wood stoves, steel is for snow plows" and you will come out just fine. %-P


actually , cast iron is for "stove doors" and frying pans, steel is for stove hulls, ;-)

ok enough chiding, actually the 3 major forms of stoves all have positives , and not as positives (a select few have actrual negatives) as you read you will ID those negatives im sure.

best advice i can offer is to be certain to purchase an EPA certified unit for a few reasons, tax credit, cleaner chimney, cleaner environment , and above all more "bang for the buck" per stick of wood. modern phase 2 certified stoves actually get more out of each log you throw on the fire than non cert units do. longer burn times and cleaner emissions.

as for info, you will not find a better place, be sure to look at reviews section and ask questions, these guys know their stuff from planning to lighting you simply will not find a more knowlegable group than here at the hearth!
 
fdegree said:
I'm in lower Delaware so I'm not too familiar with what resources you have up in the NCC area. Although, this forum will be your number 1 resource for most things...incredibly wonderful people here...they have taught me a lot.

Anyway, there is a great stove shop in Dover. Check them out here: Byler's Stove Shoppe They are very knowledgeable, helpful and professional. Well worth a an afternoon trip to stop in and talk to them.

+1 on bylers, great shop!
 
just a note, New Castle county Delaware will not allow homeowners to pull the permit for a stove or fireplace installation unless they are HVAC or NFI certified, or are a licensed plummer; but there are local Shops that will help you with this.
 
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