Quadra Fire 5700 Stove Temp

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Anyone know a safe maximum stove top temp for the 5700. My Rutland surface thermometer indicates 575 degrees as a max temp. There's nothing in my owners manual. I have had my stove to 600 with no problems. Just don't want to overfire the stove , yet get max heat when I want it. Is it in the manual and I missed it?
 
The Rutland scale is for single wall stove pipe, not a stove top. Most steel stove makers tell you to keep it under 700-800F.
 
Pagey said:
The Rutland scale is for single wall stove pipe, not a stove top. Most steel stove makers tell you to keep it under 700-800F.
So your saying they make a stove top specific temperature gauge. So would you say this is reading higher or lower than actual temps?
 
xclimber said:
Pagey said:
The Rutland scale is for single wall stove pipe, not a stove top. Most steel stove makers tell you to keep it under 700-800F.
So your saying they make a stove top specific temperature gauge. So would you say this is reading higher or lower than actual temps?

No. What I am saying is that the "overfire" and "creosote" zones on that thermometer are referring to the single wall pipe. I.e., saying that 575F is "overfire" means your single wall is too hot when it reads 575F, not that the stove is overfired at 575F. The thermometer is "accurate" on either the stove top or the single wall. I just mean that the "scale" it uses cannot be transferred to a stove for what is over or under firing.

I don't know that anyone makes a magnetic thermo just for a stove. All that I have seen are technically for the single wall pipe and are "scaled" as such. But that doesn't mean you can't use them as a guide for running your stove. Lopi says 800F is an overfire for my stove. I use a single wall magnetic thermo from Condar on the lower plate, and I try to keep it around 650F or less.
 
Pagey said:
xclimber said:
Pagey said:
The Rutland scale is for single wall stove pipe, not a stove top. Most steel stove makers tell you to keep it under 700-800F.
So your saying they make a stove top specific temperature gauge. So would you say this is reading higher or lower than actual temps?

No. What I am saying is that the "overfire" and "creosote" zones on that thermometer are referring to the single wall pipe. I.e., saying that 575F is "overfire" means your single wall is too hot when it reads 575F, not that the stove is overfired at 575F. The thermometer is "accurate" on either the stove top or the single wall. I just mean that the "scale" it uses cannot be transferred to a stove for what is over or under firing.

I don't know that anyone makes a magnetic thermo just for a stove. All that I have seen are technically for the single wall pipe and are "scaled" as such. But that doesn't mean you can't use them as a guide for running your stove. Lopi says 800F is an overfire for my stove. I use a single wall magnetic thermo from Condar on the lower plate, and I try to keep it around 650F or less.
Ok Pagey, I get what your saying. I've never had mine over 600. I just wanted to find out a top limit on the heat range. Thanks.
 
Lopi is one of the few I've seen actually give you a hard number for what they call an "overfire". Most manufacturers just say "if anything glows" you are overfiring. Again, I just like to keep mind at 650F or less when cruising if I can. However, sometimes on a really cold night with a fresh load of oak, it will hit 700F for a little while.

Sorry if my explanation was hard to follow. I'm battling some bronchitis or pneumonia or something here. Suffice to say that the thermo should display the same temp on either the stove top or the single wall - just know that the "scale" is for the single wall. If 575F was an overfire, everyone would be overfiring daily! :lol:
 
Pagey said:
Lopi is one of the few I've seen actually give you a hard number for what they call an "overfire". Most manufacturers just say "if anything glows" you are overfiring. Again, I just like to keep mind at 650F or less when cruising if I can. However, sometimes on a really cold night with a fresh load of oak, it will hit 700F for a little while.

Sorry if my explanation was hard to follow. I'm battling some bronchitis or pneumonia or something here. Suffice to say that the thermo should display the same temp on either the stove top or the single wall - just know that the "scale" is for the single wall. If 575F was an overfire, everyone would be overfiring daily! :lol:
Pagey, I just called Quadrafire tech support, they said up to 700 is about max, slightly over that for a short burst is OK. They said 625-675 is the sweet spot to run the stove. They want the stove top thermometer on the upper level , right near the collar where the stove pipe exits, not on the lower shelf. I've been burning a half cord of wood a month with this thing. I'm a happy camper. Burning 24/7. Quad tech said that's what they figured for a wood consumption, about 3 cords for a heating season. Hell I use to burn 12 with my outdoor wood boiler, I'm in wood heaven ;-) . Hope you get feeling better soon. Lot of stuff going around here too. Knock on wood, I've been good. Must be the nice farm air :snake:
 
Pagey said:
xclimber said:
Pagey said:
The Rutland scale is for single wall stove pipe, not a stove top. Most steel stove makers tell you to keep it under 700-800F.
So your saying they make a stove top specific temperature gauge. So would you say this is reading higher or lower than actual temps?

No. What I am saying is that the "overfire" and "creosote" zones on that thermometer are referring to the single wall pipe. I.e., saying that 575F is "overfire" means your single wall is too hot when it reads 575F, not that the stove is overfired at 575F. The thermometer is "accurate" on either the stove top or the single wall. I just mean that the "scale" it uses cannot be transferred to a stove for what is over or under firing.

I don't know that anyone makes a magnetic thermo just for a stove. All that I have seen are technically for the single wall pipe and are "scaled" as such. But that doesn't mean you can't use them as a guide for running your stove. Lopi says 800F is an overfire for my stove. I use a single wall magnetic thermo from Condar on the lower plate, and I try to keep it around 650F or less.

HehHeh . . . my Dad works at a local hardware store and a couple came in looking for a stove thermometer . . . he tried to sell them a regular chimney thermometer and explain to them that they could just use the numbers and not the "zones" but they insisted that he was mistaken and they would only buy a stove thermometer . . . who knows if they ever found such a critter.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I don't use the numbers on my magnetic rutland thermometer. It's not terribly accurate, and even the accuracy changes as the stove gets hotter.

I use a handheld IR thermometer when I want to know the temp, and I look at the magnetic thermometer when i want to get a quick feel for where in my burn cycle I am.

-MG
 
SlyFerret said:
I don't know about you guys, but I don't use the numbers on my magnetic rutland thermometer. It's not terribly accurate, and even the accuracy changes as the stove gets hotter.

I use a handheld IR thermometer when I want to know the temp, and I look at the magnetic thermometer when i want to get a quick feel for where in my burn cycle I am.

-MG
That's a good idea, I'll have to pick one up.
 
I took and moved my thermometer back down to the lower shelf on my 5700 Quad. Like I said, the factory tech said to place it on the upper shelf next to the stove pipe, it stayed at 200. From what I read that upper shelf is for simmering and that's what I use it for , having two trivets on that shelf. No way that's going to read a true temperature. I moved in back down to the lower shelf, it's up to 375. That's where I think the thermometer should be.
 
I tried moving mine after reading your post, the temp went down to 250 with a flue pipe temp of 700. I moved it back down to the lower shelf and it went up to 500. I can't imagine what the flue temp would be to get that top shelf up to 600
 
The scale on this rutland thermometer:

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is a mish-mosh or average of what is recommended for a stove pipe as well as a stove top so that they can sell a universal thermometer.

stove top thermometer by condar

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stove pipe thermometer by condar

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probe style stovepipe thermometer by condar

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timlynne said:
I tried moving mine after reading your post, the temp went down to 250 with a flue pipe temp of 700. I moved it back down to the lower shelf and it went up to 500. I can't imagine what the flue temp would be to get that top shelf up to 600
Can you believe a tech at the factory told me to read the stove surface temperature on the top shelf? Brain dead if you ask me. Someone could have a chimney fire, not having any common sense and taking that advice. That's scarey! Yup, I'm back down on the lower shelf again. I think that tech heats with an oil furnace :vampire:
 
xclimber said:
timlynne said:
I tried moving mine after reading your post, the temp went down to 250 with a flue pipe temp of 700. I moved it back down to the lower shelf and it went up to 500. I can't imagine what the flue temp would be to get that top shelf up to 600
Can you believe a tech at the factory told me to read the stove surface temperature on the top shelf? Brain dead if you ask me. Someone could have a chimney fire, not having any common sense and taking that advice. That's scarey! Yup, I'm back down on the lower shelf again. I think that tech heats with an oil furnace :vampire:

You remember the first name of the person you talked to? Man or woman?

Anyway, they temps you were given are good. Those go for any of the Quad stoves.
 
jtp10181 said:
xclimber said:
timlynne said:
I tried moving mine after reading your post, the temp went down to 250 with a flue pipe temp of 700. I moved it back down to the lower shelf and it went up to 500. I can't imagine what the flue temp would be to get that top shelf up to 600
Can you believe a tech at the factory told me to read the stove surface temperature on the top shelf? Brain dead if you ask me. Someone could have a chimney fire, not having any common sense and taking that advice. That's scarey! Yup, I'm back down on the lower shelf again. I think that tech heats with an oil furnace :vampire:

You remember the first name of the person you talked to? Man or woman?

Anyway, they temps you were given are good. Those go for any of the Quad stoves.
I believe the guy's name was Phil. I believe I'm correct in placing the stove top thermometer on the lower of the two shelves. Yes Phil said that Quad wants you to place the stove temp thermometer as close to the metal flange where it comes out of the stove as possible. Only thing I can think of , is he was thinking stove pipe temps, but I was strictly asking about the max stove top temperature and he was saying 700 degrees. So I doubt it was flue gas temps that he was refering too.
 
It was not registering in his head that its a step top model I am guessing, and the upper shelf gets lower temps.

The name is probably correct, there is a Phil there. I will let them know about the confusion so it doesn't happen to someone else.
 
Mine tends to max out at about 650-675--that's the highest I can get it with my setup. And that seems to fall within the company's recommendation. However, my stovetop temps are taken on the lower level about 8" from the front edge. If you look underside of this spot it is the pathway for the escaping gases, flames, with no obstructions. I feel this is an accurate place to take your readings. It has worked for me. I also place a seperate surface temp gague on the stovepipe up about 18-24" above the stovetop. The two temp gauges really help me fine tune the draft for most heat and least creosote.
 
Anyone with a 5700 Quad run their stove with the start up draft open too? That would be the air control on the lower right side looking at the front of the stove. Just wondering what air settings everyone finds that works well.
 
I find it is helpful to open it at the very end of a burn to help "cook down" the large pieces of charcoal. Also, when I want a real small load (3 or less minimum-type thickness splits) leaving open the start-up air control provides enough air to have proper, hot combustion. In both of these cases, the primary air control is not providing enough draft for hot enough combustion. What I think you are really asking is if anybody is running the start-up air open during the main, prolonged burn portion. My answer is no. Experiment a little bit and you will find that the Quad folks (and other brands) have done their research to obtain the longest, cleanest burn by having you shut the start-up air control after 15 min. Mine has a warning label to that effect.
 
RonB said:
I find it is helpful to open it at the very end of a burn to help "cook down" the large pieces of charcoal. Also, when I want a real small load (3 or less minimum-type thickness splits) leaving open the start-up air control provides enough air to have proper, hot combustion. In both of these cases, the primary air control is not providing enough draft for hot enough combustion. What I think you are really asking is if anybody is running the start-up air open during the main, prolonged burn portion. My answer is no. Experiment a little bit and you will find that the Quad folks (and other brands) have done their research to obtain the longest, cleanest burn by having you shut the start-up air control after 15 min. Mine has a warning label to that effect.
I see there's a low , medium , and high setting on the start up. I sometimes found by leaving it on low, I got a little better burn and then leaving the front just off of closed. Just like hearing what others have found that works well. I don't leave my start up all the way back , I even push it back foward from the back of the stove, as my stove drafts very well, and doesn't take all that long to get going. Plus I'm burning very dry wood. Almost some that is too dry. All oak.
 
xclimber I think you have an ACC stove. The slide on the lower right side is for rear air AND start up air. Its a dual function lever. When you push it all the way back it winds up a timer for the start up air. The rest of the slide is for controlling the rear air. The rear air can be left open the entire burn if you want, but the start up air should not be forced open, need to let the timer wind down and close it automatically.

RonB has the previous model, the ACT stove (I know because he said his start up air has a warning tag on it). They have slightly different controls.
 
jtp10181 said:
xclimber I think you have an ACC stove. The slide on the lower right side is for rear air AND start up air. Its a dual function lever. When you push it all the way back it winds up a timer for the start up air. The rest of the slide is for controlling the rear air. The rear air can be left open the entire burn if you want, but the start up air should not be forced open, need to let the timer wind down and close it automatically.

RonB has the previous model, the ACT stove (I know because he said his start up air has a warning tag on it). They have slightly different controls.
Inferno, yes I realize about the timer, I don't push the rear air open that far as to activate that. Just until I feel the lever stop with easy resistance. What I'm finding is if I run the stove with the rear air all the way open , not engaging the timer, and shut the front burn rate down to just a hair off of low, I get much more secondary burning . Is this a good way to burn the stove or should I just shut the rear off and continue with just the burn rate control. Just trying to fine tune the stove, so as to burn it with a good degree of efficiency. Factory tech said running the rear air too long can wind up etching the glass as it blows heat right at the glass. Is that a real problem?
 
Inferno, I've been burning the 5700 with both the rear and the front air control, just..... open. That gives me a nice slow 450 degree stove top temp with a 550 degree flue gas temp and really nice secondary flames , just whirling around, with nice heat output. I think I found the spot ;-)
 
My preference is to have the stove top 550 and the stack temp 450 or a tad less.
 
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