INSULATION QUESTION

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forvols

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Dec 6, 2007
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NORTHEAST TN
I would like to get some opinions on an insulation aspect:

I have a full basement cinderblock walls that is not insulated (NC-30 is there). I was wondering if it would help the overall temps in my house if I insulated the ceiling in the basement. When you look up it is just open floor joist and subflooring. The walls of the basement are not insulated and I dont really want to insulate them att. But was thinking about getting rolled insulation and doing the ceiling. You guys think it would be a good ROI? Also my insulated heating ducts run between the floor joinst to the rooms upstairs coming off the main duct (supply end) external temp of the ducts, via IR thermometer, are about 72-74 degrees. The external temp at the discharge end is 66-70*. This was all done in the basement not the acutal discharge vent in the rooms upstairs. You think that temp drop is also equating to heat loss in the duct? I was thinking about enclosing the heat duct runs between the floor joinst.
 
Any heat your losing through the ceiling is just making the floors warmer on the floor above. Insulated the walls ,thats were your losing the heat. THat 55D deg ground temp is sapping heat out of your basement 24/7. Big waste of money insulating between heated spaces IMO.
 
I posted a similar question without any response, but what if the basement is not heated and thus one should see a return by insulating the space in between the joists?
 
My basement is not heated, well with the exeption of the NC-30 (I have not been burning it full time). The average temp in my basement is 64* year round. So it seems insulating between the floor joist would have an impact for heating the house above and plugging up any 64* air leakage into the house from the basement. I could see not insulating between 2 heated spaces in the house say downstairs to upstairs rooms. Now if you no heat source or option to heat the basement when you want to. Then yeah I think it would make a difference upstairs to insulate between floor joist. If you hurry you can get the tax credit for the insulation. I already used my total tax credit with replacement windows.
 
Hot air rises. that 64 degree air in the basement is not coming upstairs unless you have a chimney effect going (hot air escaping into attic) and significant air leakage into the basement.

I agree with the others - Do not insulate the basement ceiling unless you want to seal that space off as cold space outside the building envelope. Since you have the stove in the basement it seems you don't. Insulating basement walls is the better option, but even that I think wont give you a worthwhile return on investment unless you use the basement as finished living space.
 
Yeah good points. Probably better for me to work on sealing the house upstairs to air leaks, well and seal the basement of air leaks.
 
Insulating the basement ceiling would only be appropriate if the goal is to turn the basement into a sauna or if the stove is moving upstairs. The best ROI is going to be addressing all sill, window and door leaks to the basement, then insulating the walls. Right now 25-30% of the heat the stove is producing (and wood it's burning) is going out the walls.
 
The only thing insulating the basment celing does is provide sound insulation. I plan on insulating the basment celing, but we have 4 kids that play down there so this will help quite them down, having to yell KEEP IT DOWN all the time lol. Now Putting insulation between the joist where they meet the sil plates at the outside walls does make a differance. Also as everyone else has said, the walls and floor will make the biggest differance.
 
Ditto what BeGreen said: you gotta get them walls insulated.

I work as an Energy Advisor up north here and have done over 600 energy evaluations (sorry for the polymath stance) -- I just want to offer my voice on the matter. Your whole house will be warmer and have a better balance point if you can keep the radiant heat from escaping out the basement. Contrary to popular belief heat does not rise -- it goes from warm areas to cold areas. As such insulated basement walls save you and it's something you have to do and feel to experience yourself.

I just got a thank you card in the mail last week from a happy customer of mine. When I showed up to do his energy assessment he was pretty much convinced he was buying a pellet stove. I told him not to waste his money and that a better investment was to insulate his basement. In his thank-you card he said he saved 50% on his oil expenditures this year.

By insulating the walls instead of the floor joists you will also raise the R.H point of the house and basement and be less prone to moisture damage. Minimum R10 in the basement recommended.
 
On my energy audit, some recommendations I got were to:
Insulate the foundation walls (I used 2" blue board on the outside down to 2' below ground level)
Replace an old patio door
Add 8 more inches to the attic (I blew in about 12" more)
Replace my old (1982) BK with a new catalytic type (& I really like the new BK & burn less wood)
Caulk & air seal some areas
Foam around window frames (I removed inside widow trim & use the small cans of spray foam)
New weather stripping around doors
Some others I have yet to get done but are planned, in the future budgets

Saved some $$ on Fed income tax (energy credits) & got some State rebates
 
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