My new baby - Woodstock Fireview

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brogsie said:
North said:
Brogsie, Glad to see another Eastern MA Fireview owner! :) Thought I was the only one going out on a limb and buying one of these on the sale!?! Are you shipping it or picking it up?

Hey North,

I picked mine up. They will only ship to a place that has a loading dock, so I would have had to find a place to accept it. Then have them load it on my truck then unload it at my house. So I decided to make the 3 hour drive and pick it up. I had them put it on a dolly I made so I could roll it off my truck into the house on ramps. Not too bad. That sucker is heavy. Naturally it snowed and rained the day I did it. Woodstock wrapped the stove up in plastic so the weather was no problem. I save the $100 shipping and $75 to crate it. And it was fun to see the facility.

I will be installing late summer or fall. I can't wait to compare notes.

I may go up. Didn’t know there was $75 to crate charge. Figured I would spend $100 in gas, so was having it sent to my brothers company. Might be worth the drive for $175. I also have a fork attachment for on my BL 570, so moving it around on a skid is pretty easy. Installing it will be my summer project. Looking forward to using it next year. Did you say that you bought the grey? That was the color other than black that I was leaning towards. Are you happy with the appearance?

North
 
Backwoods Savage said:
brogsie said:
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I see no reason for a cat probe on this stove. If I were to use any probe it would be in the flue, but I can see no reason for that either. However, we've only burned wood for a little over 50 years so I have much to learn yet! But it seems to me with one thermometer on the stove top and one on the flue, should give you enough information about what is happening. You also can simply look at the actual fire. How much more information does one need? About the only other thing I can think of is to actually look inside the flue occasionally (monthly for new burners) to see if there is any creosote buildup.

Hey Dennis,

I have a VC Ecore Defiant, the cat is up in the back where I can not see it. I can get a nice fire going, close the bypass and close down the air. Seems to be cruising along fine. Then I'll go outside to check the chimney and black smoke is coming out. Other times it's clean with no smoke. I like to know if the cat is firing when I go to bed so that the stove is not smoldering all night creasoting up the chimney. I thoght if I had a cat probe thermometer I would know for sure that the cat is working. Maybe the VC is a little more finicky? I replaced the cat last year. Woodstock said to cean the cat once a month or so. The cat on the VC is difficult to get to because of the heat sheild. I would feel more comfortable knowing for sure that the cat is firing.
 
North said:
brogsie said:
North said:
I may go up. Didn’t know there was $75 to crate charge. Figured I would spend $100 in gas, so was having it sent to my brothers company. Might be worth the drive for $175. I also have a fork attachment for on my BL 570, so moving it around on a skid is pretty easy. Installing it will be my summer project. Looking forward to using it next year. Did you say that you bought the grey? That was the color other than black that I was leaning towards. Are you happy with the appearance?

North

I had about a five hour round trip. I spent around $40 on gas in my pick up. Nice ride, no traffic. I'm glad I picked it up.

We really do like the color. The nice thing about picking it up is you can pick from a bunch of stoves. They had a couple in each color in the loading area to choose from.
We liked the darker colr blue stone. The stone is different on each stove. I think they try to keep dark and light stones together. We like the grey because it blends together rather than contrasting. I do have to say it was a tough choice as they are all good looking. I have gotten a lot of compliments on the stove showing itto neighbors and friends.
Good luck with yours.
 
brogsie said:
Backwoods Savage said:
brogsie said:
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I see no reason for a cat probe on this stove. If I were to use any probe it would be in the flue, but I can see no reason for that either. However, we've only burned wood for a little over 50 years so I have much to learn yet! But it seems to me with one thermometer on the stove top and one on the flue, should give you enough information about what is happening. You also can simply look at the actual fire. How much more information does one need? About the only other thing I can think of is to actually look inside the flue occasionally (monthly for new burners) to see if there is any creosote buildup.

Hey Dennis,

I have a VC Ecore Defiant, the cat is up in the back where I can not see it. I can get a nice fire going, close the bypass and close down the air. Seems to be cruising along fine. Then I'll go outside to check the chimney and black smoke is coming out. Other times it's clean with no smoke. I like to know if the cat is firing when I go to bed so that the stove is not smoldering all night creasoting up the chimney. I thoght if I had a cat probe thermometer I would know for sure that the cat is working. Maybe the VC is a little more finicky? I replaced the cat last year. Woodstock said to cean the cat once a month or so. The cat on the VC is difficult to get to because of the heat sheild. I would feel more comfortable knowing for sure that the cat is firing.

Brogsie, on the Woodstock it is easy to tell when the cat is lit. All you have to do is watch the stove top temperature. A good example is when you are starting with a cold stove. It takes a bit of time to warm up all the stone (but not as much as most would have you believe) but once the stove top gets to 250 degrees and you flip the cat on, that temperature then rises really fast.

You get the same thing with reloads. Let's say you reload the stove with the stove top at 350 degrees. Put the wood in with the cat off and the draft open full. It takes a few minutes to get the new wood charred and the moisture evaporated, but within 10-15 minutes you are ready to turn the draft down. That is the same time you engage the cat. Then watch that temperature and it will rise pretty fast.

Also, when you see that beautiful flame which you get after engaging the cat, you'll know it is working just fine. I still laugh the first time we saw the flame do that. When you engage the cat the flame seems to change color (which I still do not understand) and then it will just raise to the top of the glass and sort of roll. The first time this happened I thought it was the Pits of Hell itself! Actually scared us too because the temperature kept climbing.

On the Woodstock stoves they don't want you to burn over 700 degree stove top and this thing got over 600 quite fast and was still climbing. It certainly concentrated our attention and I couldn't seem to hold it down. However, the temperature on stove top got to about 670 and then just stayed there. It about roasted us out too. lol So there was a bit of a learning curve for us with this stove (even though we've burned wood for a bit) but it was a very short learning curve. It did not take long for us to know we have bought the right stove. And I am still amazed with the company and how good they are to deal with. I only wish more businesses would do the same.

Some day, I do hope to be able to visit that factory and also meet some of the good folks up there. I know they keep badgering me about coming to their open house or bbq but it is a long drive for us.
 
Thanks for the info Dennis,

One of thr reasons I went for the Woodstock is because of your posts.
I told them I learned about their stove from hearth.com. They said they are aware of the site and do moniter it.
I'm installing my stove late summer or fall. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you.
 
Thanks brogsie. Yes, they are very aware of hearth.com and some of the chatter here. They've even referred some questions to this forum!! But as for your questions, yes, you will have some and we'll be happy to help. Todd also is very knowledgeable and Slow1 is another new burner who is quite intelligent and will help. You have many friends here.
 
North said:
Semipro said:
North,
Good choice. Woodstocks are very nice. I wish one would work for our installation.

I just lined our flue with rigid and you don't need flex to make turns at the bottom. You can use adjustable elbows and adjustable length sections of rigid pipe (one section slides within another). I spent quite a while reviewing online vendors and ultimately bought from Hart's Hearth and had a very good experience with them. I used rigid because I liked the idea of having a smooth inner surface for cleaning. Remember to make allowances for how you will clean your flue out although you probably won't have a lot of creosote buildup with that Woodstock cat.

Good luck.

Semipro, thanks for the note on Hart's. Tried to call a couple of times today, but they must have been out. Will try again over the next day or two to see what they say. Did you insulate?

Whoops. Sorry for the delayed response. Yes, I insulated with foil back rock wool.

The way Hart's Hearth website was setup made more sense than any of the others I visited. I'd try that.
 
Dennis, your reply about the first time you saw the stove "take off" after engaging the combustor brought a smile to my face. I recall doing the very same thing... I was totally freaked out and called the husband at work. I got the machine and in a panic stricken voice squeaked out that the stove was getting really hot really fast... then spent the next 30 minutes praying he'd call back and hustling over to see if the stove was going to blow up. Lol. It all seems so silly now, but at the time it scared the hell out of me.

All these years later I now have complete faith in the safety and efficiency of our model 201 Fireview (and the Classic in my workroom). I'm not the least bit frightened by a very hot stove, in fact, I know that's precisely where the best burn and efficiency originates and I rather revel in the knowledge that there isn't a ton of creosote in the chimney. My brother was shocked at how fast the stovetop temperature climbed when the combustor was engaged after a reload, and he was amazed by the rolling flames. He asked me if I was nervous about the sustained stovetop temperature but after reading the manual he said it alll made complete sense.
 
Yes Bobbin. We still laugh about it. It surely did concentrate our attention.
 
I installed my stove this weekend. Turns out I had a 12x12 clay lined flue that I lined with a 6 in FlexPro liner. I'll fire it up later this week, but looking forward to it! These stoves are really built well. I hope they burn 1/2 as well as they are built. Anyone use the Outside Air Adapter?

-North
 

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North, they do indeed burn as well as they are built. Just remember, as with all stoves, the fuel is the big key. Enjoy!
 
I purchased the Charcoal color and I like it. Lighter than than black but not as light as the grey. It has held up well. Stove is almost 3 years old and the paint does not need touching up and it is not faded.

Woodstock is a great company to work with.
 
I purchased the Charcoal color and I like it. Lighter than than black but not as light as the grey. It has held up well. Stove is almost 3 years old and the paint does not need touching up and it is not faded.

Woodstock is a great company to work with.
 
Very nice install North. I think you will be very pleased with the burns.

Do you have an ash dump under that stove? I rigged up an OAK to my Keystone through the exsisting ash dump and it's pretty much hidden and works great.
 
Nice install.

I purchase a fireview (Metallic Grey) last year. It has been truly wonderful stove. I got this color because I liked the way it looked in the add and I didn't like the look of the darker colors once ash gets on them (only an issue on the door side)

The first week or so will be trying unless you are used to burning with a CAT stove. After burning for 20yrs with sheet metal stoves (Avalon) my first Fireview experiences were not very favorable. After the first few fires I was even considering sending it back. In retrospect I think I was worrying (obscessed) about number settings on the air intake, constantly changings the settings. I was trying to copy other people's settings that I read on this site. My wife finally solved the problem. I came home one night and the stove was burnining beautifully. I asked her what setting it was on and she said " I don't know I just set it so I could see a few flames". Once you find out your "right settings" I think you will be very happy with the stove.

I have an outside air intake and have had no problems. I had run-away fire problems with the Avalon most likely due to my chimney and extremely windy conditions all winter, however, no problems with the Fireview (although I did install a flue damper.... never use it).

Good luck and post some burn pics

Xraydog
 
Thanks for the comments. The stove that I purchased is also the charcoal color. Seemed a little softer than black and not so light as the gray.

It turns out Woodstock has an outside air adapter for the Fireview ($40) http://store.woodstove.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16267&cat=298&page=2

I have an ash empty in the original fireplace with a clean out in my utility room in the basement. I was thinking of removing the cast iron ash door that is just set in place and fabricating a cover with a 4in round adapter and then replace the door in the basement with a cover and flex duct to the outside. It will be completely out of sight and should provide a good supply of outside air.

I’ve only really burned catalyst stoves. Thanks for the tips on getting to burn properly. I purchased 2 cord of kiln dried spit hardwood. I’ll give it a try later this weekend when I return home and post the results here.
 
I had the stove inspected yesterday morning. My bride doesn't put her foot down often (like the second time it 22 years), but she heard that our home owners insurance might be void if it something happened and it wasn't inspected, so she wanted it inspected. It passed without any issues and I got two low temp burns in yesterday. I'm on my third as I type this and I'm thrilled with how the stove operates at this point. It's very simple to use. One air lever in the back, one lever for the cat converter, and the door. That's it. The clarity of the fire while it's burning is a delight. My reverence is some of the older VC airtight stoves, and from a viewing standpoint, there is no comparison. So far this has really exceeded my expectations. I concluded through these forums that the Woodstock Fireviews have a sort of cult like following. Now I know why - and I just joined the cult!

It's hard to take pictures of the stove(fire) in operation. Here is an ISO 3200 shot (very grainy), but you get the idea of the beauty of the fire that you can see. This picture is of the stove warming up, but I followed Xraydog's advice and just gave it enough air to see flames (doesn't take much!) and that seems to be perfect.

I'll add some posts as I get more experience under my belt with this stove, but 10 thumbs up to the crew in West Lebanon, NH that are members of the Woodstock Soapstone Company for making a great product. They are a delight to work with and were very helpful throughout my installation process.
 

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Beauty, and congratulations!
 
That stove looks great! and is really starting to grow on me.
 
That stove looks great! and is really starting to grow on me.
 
Todd said:
Very nice install North. I think you will be very pleased with the burns.

Do you have an ash dump under that stove? I rigged up an OAK to my Keystone through the exsisting ash dump and it's pretty much hidden and works great.

Todd, did you fabricate an adapter for the 4in round pipe to the ash dump or buy one? I think I'm going to work on installing an OAK over the Christmas break when I have some extra time.

-North
 
North said:
Todd said:
Very nice install North. I think you will be very pleased with the burns.

Do you have an ash dump under that stove? I rigged up an OAK to my Keystone through the exsisting ash dump and it's pretty much hidden and works great.

Todd, did you fabricate an adapter for the 4in round pipe to the ash dump or buy one? I think I'm going to work on installing an OAK over the Christmas break when I have some extra time.

-North

I took out the ash dump plate and the hole was just about 4" square so the pipe fit down with a little persuasion then filled the gaps with mortar. Also rented a masonry hole saw and drilled through from the outside chimney into the ash dump cavity and installed a vent for the fresh air.
 

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