Enviro Mini-A burn pot liner deterioriting

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feather

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Dec 10, 2009
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I bought our Enviro Mini-A just under a year ago, January 2010, and have burned almost a couple of tons since then. This fall, just starting on our second ton, I notice the burn pot liner had a hole, so that two holes blended into one. I called our dealer to order a new burn-pot liner. The company sent the wrong liner, twice. Six weeks after my first call, we finally got the replacement part, but by that time, our burn pot liner had severely deteriorated to a quarter-sized hole.

Are we doing something wrong? It was professionally cleaned last summer (after 4 months of use). I clean out the burn-pot liner a couple times a week, after 2-3 bags of pellets. As you can see by the pictures -- it actually looks rusty! First, a little piece will warp, then it burns away, creating a bigger and bigger and bigger hole -- In a stove less than one year old.

I've been using the new burn-pot liner for a couple of weeks now, and I can see the same place now has a little different color, browner than the rest of the burn-pot liner. I think it's just going to burn another hole. The hole is near the place where the fan blows air into the liner. Is this a basic defect of the stove, or do we have a setting wrong?

Our dealer is not very helpful. They appear to be displeased that we are bothering them with this, and offer no suggestions. (They just grunted when we showed them the hole). They originally installed the stove. We caught this before the 1-year warranty, but, I see that on stove parts, we have a 7-year warranty. Will we need a new burn-pot liner every year?

Thanks for your advice.
 

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A liner-cleaning tool came with the stove -- a hard piece of metal that fits right into the bottom of the liner, and cleans it out nice, getting into all the corners. It also fits nicely into the sides. I scrape it a few times to get the crud off, perhaps a tablespoon or two when I clean it.
 
Ok, sounds like the pot is made out of something that can't stand up to the conditions in the burn pot.

I'd send copies of those pictures directly to Enviro, preferably someone at the top, asking what is going on, tell them the replacement liner is also discoloring the same way the failed one did, and mention the attitude of one of their dealers while you are at it, and close by asking them to replace the new liner under the terms of the warranty.
 
Contact Enviro's costumer service dept. Send along a picture of the burnpot liner. I am sure they will get back to you. Also include the dealers name so they know who to contact to straighten this out for you. All parts need to go thru the dealer and if dealer isn't much help. Enviro needs to know about it. The dealer is the first link of the costumer support chain.

Email them at [email protected]
 
Thanks for the contact information for Enviro. We've tried to contact them before (before we bought the stove), and they just passed us to a dealer. Their web site, I just checked, has no working customer input option.
 
feather said:
Thanks for the contact information for Enviro. We've tried to contact them before (before we bought the stove), and they just passed us to a dealer. Their web site, I just checked, has no working customer input option.

They still have to be registered with a governmental agency in order to legally do business in most places.

In the US this would be at the state level, usually the Secretary of State.

There you'll find a name and address for contact information.

Enviro is Sherwood Industries Ltd of Saanichton, British Columbia
 
Try this phone # (250) 652-6080 . Sherwood Industries Victoria, BC
 
Thanks for the contacts. I called the number above, and they gave me their Technical Help number, 888-285-2224. I left a message there for Al. I also sent the pictures and info to the email address given me above. I'll let you know when I hear back....
 
I too live in Oregon and have an identical problem with my Enviro Mini.

It was purchased in August 2010 and I have used approximately 2 tons of pellets (Packsaddle) and have noticed the metal cracking in a manner described in this thread.

The picture could be mine except that the burn is on the other side of the liner, a mirror image of the one in the picture.

The liner has been regularly cleaned. Wonder what's up with this? The liner seems to be made of plain mild steel.
 
spinoza503 said:
.....Wonder what's up with this? The liner seems to be made of plain mild steel.

Based on the above pics by Feather, that is pretty obvious....stainless does not rust.

IMO, if Enviro made all their burn pots out of the same material, they will be getting a lot of calls from owners. You need to call that same Tech line Monday, and also make a call to your dealer.
 
An update:

First off, I was wrong about the placement of the damage, It is exactly where the previous poster had it.

I went to the dealer and they gave me a replacement under the warranty.

Interesting to note, they had a sealed parts box with the correct part number but the liner was the wrong one. Same design but not as wide by about 3 inches. They gave me one out of a floor model.

The parts guy pointed out that the damage is adjacent to the igniter hole though not exactly centered on it.

I will be contacting Enviro about this. I first want to see if the new one discolors in the same area.
 
I have an update on my first posts. Seven weeks ago I installed the new burn-pot liner -- and it is showing signs of burning out like the old one. It turns green, then starts to crack, then starts to fall apart. (see picture below- taken today, at 7 weeks of use). The place where the hole will form is green, and I can see a hairline crack in the middle. It won't be long now... It actually looks corroded (the last one did too).

I contacted Enviro (thanks for the contact info), and I've been emailing a technician called Don. He has been very responsive, and seems concerned. Since the problem is adjacent to the igniter hole, one theory is that the igniter stays lit too long. However, I put my watt meter on it, and I could tell exactly when the igniter went off, and it seems to be right on time, working correctly.

By the way -- when we got this new burn-pot liner, 7 weeks ago, we had the same problem as the last poster -- we would get a box with the right part number, but the liner was the wrong shape. It took several tries to get the right one. So, I'll start earlier this time -- I think the Enviro hardware has a 7 year warranty.
 

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I just scraped the pot last night and there is a definite round discoloration where the old one burned out. Just like Feather's picture. I will be contacting Enviro about this.
 
I contacted the support person at Enviro today. He told me that the burn pot liner should be made of stainless steel.

Apparently they have received complaints from certain areas such as Oregon and eastern Canada about the liner burning out.

A good test for stainless steel is to use a magnet. Good stainless steel should not be at all attractive to a magnet.

My magnet stuck solidly to the liner. Not stainless steel. That's the answer to the problem.

The support person also told me that the Mini used to use a smaller burn pot liner and they changed it to a larger liner. That explains why the boxed replacement was too small.

So I basically learned that Enviro is aware of the problem and they are "working on it".
 
spinoza503 said:
I contacted the support person at Enviro today. He told me that the burn pot liner should be made of stainless steel.

Apparently they have received complaints from certain areas such as Oregon and eastern Canada about the liner burning out.

A good test for stainless steel is to use a magnet. Good stainless steel should not be at all attractive to a magnet.

My magnet stuck solidly to the liner. Not stainless steel. That's the answer to the problem.

The support person also told me that the Mini used to use a smaller burn pot liner and they changed it to a larger liner. That explains why the boxed replacement was too small.

So I basically learned that Enviro is aware of the problem and they are "working on it".

Stainless steel covers a broad range of steels some of which are magnetic and others that are not magnetic.
 
Thanks for the input. I just did a small study of stainless steel and you are correct: there are quite a variety of formulations including metal that can be magnetized. So whether the liner is actually SS is moot.
 
Wow, all that damage from 2 tons of pellets. It's pretty clear something has to change. The good news with a design like that is that it is simple to just make one of your own if you weld or have one made if you don't. How thick is the cheese curd that pot is made of anyways? I got tired of the headaches with my grinder model Countryside and made my own clinker pot as others did. Mine is 3/16 mild steel and doesn't show a speck of wear after 2 years of burning corn, pellets and even some hand fed stove anthracite.
For a quick fix I bet you could just cut a piece of steel to fit snugly down inside that existing liner. Then outline the holes and drill to match. Simple, better by far than what you have and probably costs nothing.
 
Seeing as they are localized area's with these problems i would wonder if it's your pellets that is causeing the problems. We had lots of problems with a certan corn stove in our area that would destroy stainless or metal just like your burnpot. After 3 years of trying all kinds of differant strains of corn or grains it basically came down to stop burnign corn. So in a long winded way i would wonder if the pellets you have were produced using whole corn as the binder and burning that is whats causing the problems.
 
100% douglas fir pellets. Premium grade, claims no additives. Called Packsaddle Pellets and made locally here in Oregon. They were recommended by the dealer.

I like the idea of making a plate for the bottom of the liner. Maybe when the warranty runs out.
 
Have an older Mini (2006) with smaller burnpot. No sign of
cracking or warping after a dozen tons or more, don't know the composition.
New it looked more like mild steel than stainless.
 
Eastern Canada is a long way from Oregon. I wouldn't count on it being just a local problem, but that's just me.
 
i the last 5 years i have probally sold close to 60 mini's and the last two years would have been mini-a's. We even converted several mini's to mini-a's, and so far i have not had a customer complain about a burnpot that was burning out the way the op's is.
 
skinanbones said:
i the last 5 years i have probally sold close to 60 mini's and the last two years would have been mini-a's. We even converted several mini's to mini-a's, and so far i have not had a customer complain about a burnpot that was burning out the way the op's is.


Definitely I would change pellet brands to see if it caused it though I never heard of pellets doing this. They did discuss localized corn issues such as this a few years back at the iburncorn web forum a few years back. I still say a nice chunk of 1/4" plate is going to do more for you than any new pot. Whatever is going on will take a very long time to gnaw through that big hunk of steel and the price is nearly free. You wouldn't even have to weld it in, just drop it in there.
 
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