Hot Coals and the zipper method, something else to try. ****EDIT*** Pics at end of thread

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shawneyboy said:
So here are the pics of what I mean by the zipper method, (i hope them come out in the correct order). The reason I call it the zipper is because air from the doghouse, unzips the pile of hot coals, in an inverted V from front to back. With in a half hour this large pile of hot coals was burned back at least 3 or 4 inches using this method. Now that may not seem like alot but consider that the pile to start was 4-5 inches high from the bottom of the stove. If I do this regularly, it keeps the coal bed manageable and allows for more or less full loads every time.

So if I add these pics correctly they should be.

1 . found coal bed
2. centered coals w/ 2 medium rounds
3. even out with smal rounds
4. add 3 large splits on top
5. fill her up with small stuff
6. secondaries with doghouse burn
7. secondaries with doghouse burn lights off

I hope this helps someone, and as always this is valid at participating locations only, subject to change without notice, and mileage may vary.

I never get the order correctl !!!! Damn.... I am still trying to figure out how to post a pic then text under it, then another pic, and so on.

Well you get the idea.

You do the same thing I have been doing. Something else I do is I end up with a lot of large sections of bark as I try to split the bark off to hasten seasoning. So I take 3 sections of bark & make the upside down U over the coals in the center. The bark makes a pretty intense fire & doesn't add to the coals. ...... One thing I noticed is all the unburned black deposits in your firebox. That suggests that you are burning less than seasoned wood & creating creosote. In my firebox the interior is white not black like yours. It seems to me that if you have that black IN the firebox, you are probably building up deposits in the chimney.
 
Woah. I love the idea of this. I have a full load in for the over night, but I'm going to try this in the morning. Thanks for the great ideas. Man, this website is priceless. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
The inside of my Mansfield looks just like his and I'm burning 12-15% moisture content wood and my burns are very clean and hot.

Thanks for tip, Shawney, I'm going to give this a try tomorrow morning.
 
What a great idea and thanks for posting the pictures! I've tried this and it seems to work very well. It is nice not to have to wait to burn down the coals before loading up the stove again.
 
WOW !!!! I was able to give something back !!! I am so glad you guys/gals are finding success using this method. I have found such great info on this forum its nice to be able to give back an idea and help someone else out.

DaFattKidd let us know how it goes for you.

I use this method regularly, sort of a pro-active coal elliminating, BTU effective use, type thing.

Keep the success/failure info coming.
 
I've been having an issue with too many coals as well - especially when I'm trying to keep the stove plenty hot on very cold days. I've been raking a massive pile of coals into the center of the stove, then opening the primary air all the way to burn em down. After they've burned down a decent amount, I've been raking the coals forward and evenly distributing the coals along the front of the stove bottom. I really like your method - seems I won't have to worry about burning them down, just treat the coals as the first split down the center. Unfortunately, I just loaded up the box and then checked the site, so - I'll give it a shot on next reload. I'll let you know how it goes - thanks for the idea Shawneyboy - should be cool. P.S. the inside of my Mansfield looks like Shawneyboy's as well.
Cheers!
 
NH_Wood said:
P.S. the inside of my Mansfield looks like Shawneyboy's as well.
Cheers!

I don't think I have an issue. I am burning during main burn stage at stove top temps of 550 or so. Secondaries blazing. But I do appreciate the input/warning just in case.
 
The key I have found, at least for me, is to do this almost every time. Again I have coals because I burn a ton of Oak. This is more like an ongoing maintenance thing so that I avoid the "to many coals nowhere to put splits" issue. I of course do this while doing cycle burns. I DO NOT get coals, and reload right away, but use this to reload sooner.
 
shawneyboy said:
NH_Wood said:
P.S. the inside of my Mansfield looks like Shawneyboy's as well.
Cheers!

I don't think I have an issue. I am burning during main burn stage at stove top temps of 550 or so. Secondaries blazing. But I do appreciate the input/warning just in case.
Me neither, just wanted to add another comment that your stove seems just fine - sorry if it sounded otherwise! Cheers!
 
NH_Wood said:
shawneyboy said:
NH_Wood said:
P.S. the inside of my Mansfield looks like Shawneyboy's as well.
Cheers!

I don't think I have an issue. I am burning during main burn stage at stove top temps of 550 or so. Secondaries blazing. But I do appreciate the input/warning just in case.
Me neither, just wanted to add another comment that your stove seems just fine - sorry if it sounded otherwise! Cheers!


No, no . No worries. I didn't take it any way other than intended. I was more so wanting to thank the poster for the observation, but to lay his fears at ease. I should have highlighted his post not yours, yours was just more convienent.
 
shawneyboy said:
NH_Wood said:
shawneyboy said:
NH_Wood said:
P.S. the inside of my Mansfield looks like Shawneyboy's as well.
Cheers!

I don't think I have an issue. I am burning during main burn stage at stove top temps of 550 or so. Secondaries blazing. But I do appreciate the input/warning just in case.
Me neither, just wanted to add another comment that your stove seems just fine - sorry if it sounded otherwise! Cheers!


No, no . No worries. I didn't take it any way other than intended. I was more so wanting to thank the poster for the observation, but to lay his fears at ease. I should have highlighted his post not yours, yours was just more convienent.
Good enough! Cheers!
 
shawneyboy said:
There is an intense source of oxygen from this area when the primary air is open and/or closed.
Shawn... I have the Mansfield also and LOVE the firebox size. I'm confused on the primary air description though. I thought that as it's closed down, air is diverted from the "doghouse" to the secondary burn tubes. Please explain where I'm off base. Oh, and thanks for the burn tip. I use oak only myself and I've been shoveling a lot of coals out. I at least save them for lump charcoal for my smoker though.
 
Airflow is diverted to mostly the secondaries when the primary is completely closed. The main coal burn down happens when primary is wide open, but even with the primary just partially open there is a good supply of air. I should have said down to almost completely closed in the above highlighted statement. If you close it completely the air supply to the doghouse is nominal. You are not off base.

I never purposely shovel coals, I find by moving them center and reloading (like a split) after a burn cycle, I can load sooner and I don't have that overload of coals. This is a proactive solution that works for me.

As always, participating locations only, subject to change at any time, and mileage may vary.
 
so let me get this straight.. ur theory is to push the coals into a line north/south in the stove and then make a separation in the coals also running north/south and then place new pieces of wood also lying north/south in the stove?

I've been doing the opposite. I've been pulling the coals to the front of the stove east/west. then make a small tunnel between them in the center running north/south. then i place new splits going east/west on the pile of coals. The tunnel allows for rapid air movement and gets the new splits going immediately..

I'm always open for new ideas..
 
Newbie here. 4th day. I can tell now that I'm definitely not loading my firebox full enough.
 
partybob99 said:
so let me get this straight.. ur theory is to push the coals into a line north/south in the stove and then make a separation in the coals also running north/south and then place new pieces of wood also lying north/south in the stove?

I've been doing the opposite. I've been pulling the coals to the front of the stove east/west. then make a small tunnel between them in the center running north/south. then i place new splits going east/west on the pile of coals. The tunnel allows for rapid air movement and gets the new splits going immediately..

I'm always open for new ideas..

Put the hot coals N/S. Pretend its a split, first split of the load right in the center of the box, no separation, no channel. Then fully load stove, new splits completely surounding hot coals, left right and on top. Again imagine the coals are a split. Burn as usual, for me it makes better use of the coals, and I reload sooner, without a coal burn down delay. I still run the rock in cycles, this has shortened up the cycles, and is a pre-emptive strike on the "I have to many coals" syndrome.

IMHO it burns down coals effectively while still allowing maximum heat output. Not a big deal on "normal" days, but as we enter the deep end of Winter temps, it allows me to maximize heat output with minimum coal burn down time.
 
Well shawneyboy... I'm a convert. I imagine this isn't a new revelation but your the one that brought it to light now so, thank you. I did it last night and I was able to load the stove with more wood. Rather than a thick bed of coals covering the whole floor and taking up space AND firing ALL of my wood at once... this way fired from the inside out. This idea reminds me of a method use for barbecuing. It's called the "Minion method" and it allows for an extended burn time by filling a basket with unlit charcoal and then placing a few lit pieces on top. The theory being that the fire will slowly progress through the fuel. That's what I observed last night in my wood stove... a reverse "Minion Method" of sorts.
 
Chris I am glad it works for you. I am sure this idea has been brought forward prior , it is sort of a sudo-"tunel of love" method that I think it was BeGreen has used for cold starts. Anyway, glad to give back to this forum.
 
Justin M said:
CJRages said:
One thought I have is for those of us who mainly burn east-west due to firebox configuration... If you have a limited supply of shorties, then try loading the shorties first similarly to what shawneyboy did - on either side of the coal pile. Next lay the longies east-west across the top and fill 'er up. Looks like a great plan! Thanks for posting the idea!
:cheese:

That is what I tried and it worked well. I normally push the coals and ash to the back, then pull just the coals to the front. It was a little more work to rake the coals to the center.

I've been trying this last last few days and see a noticeable improvement in how fast I can get up to temperature from a bed of coals in the morning. Would've never thought of raking a pile of coals north-south in the middle, and laying splits n/s alongside, and on top of, the pile like that.

Most of my wood is too long to put in n/s, so the second layer goes in east-west as suggested above Works great!
 
chris-mcpherson said:
Well shawneyboy... I'm a convert. I imagine this isn't a new revelation but your the one that brought it to light now so, thank you. I did it last night and I was able to load the stove with more wood. Rather than a thick bed of coals covering the whole floor and taking up space AND firing ALL of my wood at once... this way fired from the inside out. This idea reminds me of a method use for barbecuing. It's called the "Minion method" and it allows for an extended burn time by filling a basket with unlit charcoal and then placing a few lit pieces on top. The theory being that the fire will slowly progress through the fuel. That's what I observed last night in my wood stove... a reverse "Minion Method" of sorts.
Yelp, the minion method is excellent for smoking butts, turkeys, etc.,...keeps the grill going for a long time with very little attention...throw some chunks of apple wood on there and mmm, mmm, good!!!!

I guess the "coal log" might could be considered the "12th man" at a football game. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/jumping/jumping0039.gif
 
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