Insulating a Stainless Steel Pipe, Block off plate and Chimney Cap Issues

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golfandwoodnut

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I had my stove installed last year and the installer did a lousy job. I wanted a block off plate and he claimed it was not necessary since it was to be insulated and sealed at the top. Well a year later I find that he did not even seal the top and my chimney cap got clogged (see image). I can only imagine how much heat is being lost and how the top of the chimney is too cold and creating creosote. Well I got really pissed and he is saying he will come out and fix the cap. I am planning on having him install one like Brother Bart recommends (see below the top is hinged and can be easily opened for cleaning). But reading more I see how many people recommend having the pipe insulated.

Since the pipe is already installed could I just have the top several feet insulated when the cap is being installed? I really do not like the idea of pouring in a liquid to permantley alter the chimney. My chimney is terra cota lined. It is probably close to 30 feet tall. Should I go to the hassle of trying to have the whole pipe removed and insulated?

I figure next summer I will try to remove the insert and make a block off plate at the bottom.

if you click on the link below you will see what I am thinking adding, atleat a few feet.
http://www.chimneylinerdepot.com/store/938/category/Insulation-Blanket.html
 

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I had a similiar experience. I removed it all, insulated and installed a block off plate. Your cap is fine. Just make sure it holds tight. There is a world of difference with the insulation and a block off plate. The plate is not needed, just an extra measure of safety. I can tell you the two changed my insert dramatically. I used to be able to damper if off down to 1/4. Now I can choke it down all the way and get longer burns and clean glass. Absolutely do it!
 
X2 what burntime said, but I'd go with the cap like BB suggested. It will secure better to the clay tile and offers several overall advantages IMO.
 
Love those caps. And as to the insulation, give what I did a try and see how it works before going for fully insulated. Mine are packed with Rockwool down to about four or five feet from the top. In five years and a bunch of wood burning the draft is like a Hoover in both and accumulation is negligible. I sweep'em but sometimes I think it is just because I have dragged the stuff up there with me anyway.

Not the least of the good things about those caps is that you can see if they are clogged, which mine never have been, from two hundred yards away. On the ground. Wind seem to just blow the crud out of'em.
 
Looks like the top of your flue tile is just inches above your asphault shingles.
 
BrotherBart said:
Love those caps. And as to the insulation, give what I did a try and see how it works before going for fully insulated. Mine are packed with Rockwool down to about four or five feet from the top. In five years and a bunch of wood burning the draft is like a Hoover in both and accumulation is negligible. I sweep'em but sometimes I think it is just because I have dragged the stuff up there with me anyway.

Not the least of the good things about those caps is that you can see if they are clogged, which mine never have been, from two hundred yards away. On the ground. Wind seem to just blow the crud out of'em.

I can vouch for the above method it works for me and a couple of buddies of mine real well. Thanks Bro Bart for the great tip, now where can I pick up one of those nifty caps??
 
Dune said:
Looks like the top of your flue tile is just inches above your asphault shingles.

Must be the picture, the chimney top is a good 5 feet above the shingles and a 32 foot ladder will not reach the top, so it is a bit scary for me up there with a extreme pitched roof.
 
BrotherBart said:
Love those caps. And as to the insulation, give what I did a try and see how it works before going for fully insulated. Mine are packed with Rockwool down to about four or five feet from the top. In five years and a bunch of wood burning the draft is like a Hoover in both and accumulation is negligible. I sweep'em but sometimes I think it is just because I have dragged the stuff up there with me anyway.

Not the least of the good things about those caps is that you can see if they are clogged, which mine never have been, from two hundred yards away. On the ground. Wind seem to just blow the crud out of'em.

BB or anyone,do you know a good place to buy some rockwool? I was also wondering if just putting some in damper opening without pulling the stove out would be worth a try.
 
Rudyjr said:
...now where can I pick up one of those nifty caps??

I got my from woodlanddirect.com. Most dealers seem to have them now. They are distributed by Olympia Chimney who supplies a lot of the online dealers.
 
Hey BB,

He needs one of those "Propper Toppers" that Dr, Issod has some years ago.
I have one and it still looks great today!!!!!

I don't even know If Craig stil has them, does he?????
 
any reason not to pour some straight perlite or vermiculite down the chimney? You'll need a good block off plate installed first, but removing the whole liner seems a bit extreme...
 
Can someone direct me to the original post where Brother Bart recommends the cap shown on the right up there? We have one similar to the one on the left, and it's clogged. We still have the larger chimney saver cap that is very similar to the one shown on the right, in appearance... I don't think it's just hinged but still wonder if it might not be a better solution for us to put that one back and take the smaller raincap off.
 
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