Avalon Astoria burning issues

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2fas4u

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Jan 7, 2011
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Hi all, what a great site! I am an Avalon Astoria owner and up until now have had zero problems with it. In fact this our second one, we had one in our home we sold and now own another. Been running it for the last 3 years and did standard cleaning as needed. Ran it almost everyday over the holiday break with no issue. This week I notice that the pellets are stacking up in the burn chamber and looks like no air is coming into the burn pot. Even with the selector on 5 this still happens after 30 minutes or so of run time. Today I thought I cleaned it very thoroughly, I cleaned the air passages and took the front plate off and cleaned all of that. I did not take the motors out though. I put my hand over the intake in the back of the stove and even held a piece of paper over the opening and noticed that there was no suction, dont know if this is normal or not? Im wondering now if the combustion motor is either clogged or dead? It felt like it was running but I am not sure now. Any ideas would be great!

Thanks!
 
I would pull blower and clean well. While it is out you can bench test it.
 
hmm dont remember this stove having damper? Alright well tomorrow I know what Im doing then ,I will pull the combustion blower then and see what happens. Will post picts and let you all know. Thanks for the input already! Hoping I dont need a new blower already!
 
Would also pull and clean the convection blower while you have it down and apart. They can also get pretty nasty. Good Luck and welcome to the forums!! ;-)
 
Page 12 of the manual restrictor (aka damper, air valve, etc ,...) adjustment also if you have outside air hooked up according to the directions in the manual there is a valve that must be open.
 
Understood, I dont have a pipe running outside. I pull the intake air out of the room the stove is in, so there is only the nub on the back of the stove for the inlet.
 
2fas4u said:
hmm dont remember this stove having damper?.......

The "damper" is the rod on the left side of the stove that goes in & out w/numbers on it.

IMO, it sounds like either a VERY dirty stove, or the blower is not running. Blower can be "bench tested" right in the stove:

1. Unplug stove
2. Open the left side access panel (as you are facing the stove)
3. Unplug both leads that go to the combustion blower
4. Make up a "test cord" out of an old lamp cord. Twist bare wires around the motor connections and wrap with tape, OR, crimp some spade connectors onto the leads so you can just plug the motor leads in.
5. Plug into 120 v and see what happens.

Same procedure can be used for auger motor and convection blower.
 
BTW, I used to have the exact same stove.....IMO, OAK will help the burn.
 
Hello

The Air Intake in the back of the stove will not show much suction with the square hole that is on the left side of the air intake plenum inside the bottom of the stove. You can see this square hole when removing the left side when you clean the combustion blower. I left the hole open in the fall to keep the burn pot clean but blocked the hole in the winter to keep the house more comfortable while using an Outside Air Kit (OAK) !!!

Here are some pics I took of the Avalon Astoria blowers.

Yearly Cleaning Tips for your Avalon Astoria. See these threads with Pics.

The Convection Fan (Blower) can be removed by loosening the back 2 screws and removing the front 2 screws closest to the side door.
Then the Convection Blower can slide out with no gasket involved.

Wood Pellet Stove Yearly Cleaning - Convection Blower
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/60351/

Wood Pellet Stove Yearly Cleaning - Exhaust Blower
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/60251/


See pic of blocked square hole in Intake Air Plenum Below
Hope this helps.
 

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Don and all thank you so much for the quick help! Okay so here it goes, spent my morning this morning pulling the stove apart. Took both blowers out to inspect and bench run them. Turns out the convection blower was clean as a whistle and ran just fine. There is one strange thing though (I will post picts this afternoon), I notice that the blower doesnt really seal all to closely to the metal housing of the stove, there are 4 felt feet in the corners but there is a gap there. Also there are 2 large o rings on the motor housing and I can figure why they are there and what they are for?

on to the exhaust blower. Took it out and it was filthy! lots of dark soot build up and I bench ran it and it ran alright as well. Cleaned it up and cleaned the chamber it sits in. Seeing all that dark soot got me worried (I was a captain in the fire department for 11 years), that dark soot tells me that the combustion was inefficent. So I took the front door off again and recleaned everything! Re-checked all of the passage ways and everything looked good. Did the dollar bill test to the front door and it passed. Cant put the blower back in now because I need a replacement gasket. I am going to buy a few of them so I have them on hand.

okay so the last thing I didnt really check was the exhaust piping. My pipe runs up the wall about 5' and then turns 90 degrees and heads out of the house. The cap only sits about 1.5' off the ground so I welded a metal mesh grate in it so critter cant get in. I didnt own a chimney sweep brush so I ran out and got one with a flexible shaft to run up the pipe. BINGO! The mesh grate was almost completely clogged and in the horizontal run of pipe there was quite a bit of ash. What really got me was in the elbow there was a puck of ash that must have built up over the last 3 years or so. Once I cleaned the exhaust and was back downstairs I could now feel outside air coming through the blower housing! Cant test the stove now until I get the gaskets in but I think the problem is solved. So to all of you newer stove owners, make sure you clean your exhaust piping, it is so simple but can cause a ton of trouble!
 
Glad to hear things are working out for you! Keep us posted when its back together and running. Always something to learn here on the forums! ;-)
 
As we say on this forum OVER & OVER, you have to clean the stove AND the exhaust. The fact that it even ran after the exhaust hadn't been cleaned in 3 years is a testament to the stove. The stove, blowers, and exhaust pipe should be cleaned after EVERY TON for max efficiency.

As for the convection blower placement, when I had my Astoria, I noticed the same "gap" between the blower housing and the plenum, and saw the felt "feet". I wondered if air was leaking out the edges, so when I finished cleaning it and re-installed it, I also taped the edges closed with furnace tape. Can't say it helped all that much, but didn't hurt any.

The rubber "o-rings" around the motor are to absorb vibration, as far as I can tell.

When you cleaned the stove, besides the ash trap doors inside the firebox, did you also remove the small 2" x 3" ash trap doors on the outside of the stove near the door hinge and latches? These give you a direct shot at the ash trap....I used to shine a small flashlight into them to make sure it was as clean as I could get it. A rubber 3/4" heater hose taped onto a shop vac nozzle works great in there.

Also, did you see the oil ports on the convection blower? Usually they have yellow plugs covering them, but not always. 2-3 drops of 20w non-detergent or 3-in-1 oil (blue can-for elect.motors) at each cleaning.
 
The outlet for the convection blower in my Avalon Newport does not touch the stove. It's not suppose to. This prevents vibration from transferring from the fan motor into the stove. It also allows a little more airflow in around the heat exchanger.

Think about sealing a fan tightly around a window VS setting a fan some distance away pointing out the window and how it affects the total amount of airflow.
 
Hey guys thanks again! Yes I did remove those small access doors as well. As I said this is the 2nd Astoria I have owned so I am familiar with it. Thanks for the information on the convection blower, just wanted to make sure. Yeah I am a bit embarrassed at the exhaust, in our other house it was a straight 3 foot run out the side wall and it never had much ash in it at all. Stupid me, its clean now. So I am on a business trip this week in Massachusettes and will try to pick up some exhaust blower motor gaskets from the Avalon Dealers here. I did see the oil plugs and will also pick up a blue can of 3-in-1. You guys are the greatest, thanks for the help again!
 
Well guys back from my business trip playing in the snow up in boston. I ordered the blower motor gaskets from www.pelletstoveparts.com and now have some spares. Got to work on it tonight and got here all back together and proud to report that it is buring like the day I brought it home! I feel so stupid it was as simple as cleaning the exhaust! I have the air settin on 2 and the flames are blowing big time! To all the new stove owners out there, make sure you buy an exhaust cleaning brush and flexible rods, best money you will ever spend! Thanks again for all the suggestions guys you were a big help!
 
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