When the emergency came, here's what I learned . . .

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snowleopard

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I thought, among other reasons, it would be good to have a wood stove in the event of a power failure, a ginormous price run-up on heating oil, etc. I had been urged to go with a pellet stove, but I didn't like that it still required power. I was also advised to get a generator rather than a wood stove, so I could continue to run the boiler if the power went out. I went with a wood stove anyway, because it just made more sense to me, and now I'm glad I did.

When my just-in-case happened, it came a lot sooner than I figured it might (mine was scheduled for maybe-someday), and it was one I hadn't envisioned: my boiler died.

The electronic boiler controls (both sets) failed, as many others did after the prolonged ice storm of November, and the boiler kept running, until it ran the glycol dry (no make-up system) and the thing overheated and almost set the garage on fire.

Since my woodstove was up and running for all of this heating season, and I used it almost daily as my primary heat source, and I had firewood on hand, and dry storage for my firewood, a sled, a splitting maul, and the routines established for cleaning out the stove, starting fires, managing ashes, and warm indoor storage of the gradations of wood size needed, I will probably get through this with only (relatively) minor inconveniences and a modicum of stress. All of these steps may sound pretty inconsequential, but they took time, research, and sometimes a few bucks to get them fully functional. I'd solve one problem, and discover the next, deal with that, learn about another, until I had a pretty functional routine happening. I'm still concerned about how this is going to work out, since the lows forecast this week range down to -30/-45F, and I've set my boiler to kick in when the house temps dropped to 61F. However, I feel a bit like the organizations that drill for emergencies so often that they have a plan in place when it happens. It's not perfect, but it beats hollow what it could have been.

What I learned:
emergencies may seem theoretical, but they happen, and sometimes aren't what you'd envisioned;
they don't necessarily wait until you have all your ducks lined up and quacking in chorus;
most important, if you live `as if', even if only for a limited period of time, you'll work through a lot of minor glitches that could be major problems if things go south unexpectedly.

If you've already put in your time living as you would if the `what if' happened, then you can get on to adapting to whatever is unique about that particular situation. I feel like I'm bollixing what I'm trying to say, but I hope you'll extend the effort to try to make sense of it.

Put another way: if I had kept this stove as I originally envisioned it, as a use-it-sometimes, keep it on hand for just-in-case thing, and just set wood heating aside `for later' when I ran into challenges, I'd be a lot more concerned about my situation. By diving in (even without a perfect wood supply and set-up in place) and living with this as if it were my 24-7 only source of heat for the last four months, I'm feeling much more ready to get through January without the oil-fired boiler.

These months have been my shake-down cruise, and I highly recommend that to those of you who are living with wood as an occassional thing, but are counting on it as a back-up if `whatever' comes to pass. Put yourself on a wood-only diet for at least a few weeks, and work through some of the glitches while it's still theoretical.

One other word of advice I'd share: if you have a boiler with electronic controls, invest in a battery back-up system (the kind they sell for computers) as a tempering system. It may save your boiler, garage, perhaps even lives.

Anyone else found themselves living out the `what if' that your woodstove was supposed to cover? If so, please chime in on this thread and share any wisdom you picked up from the experience.
 
My unenvisioned what-if was Suburban Propane trying to put the screws to people in the middle of the heating season. The wood stove made this an option instead of being forced to pay the extortionist. It took the NY attorney general a lot longer to react to this than the wood stove.
 

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When buying this house, the wood stove was a nice little bonus. I figured it would be a great supplement to the oil furnace and add some ambiance. Then, as the furnace got going that first year, it started spewing fumes into the house through its cracked exchanger. We decided on replacing it with a high-efficiency NG furnace, but the heating company was backed up of course at that time of year. We'd have to wait 3-4 weeks for the furnace to be installed and the new gas line installed. The wood stove got us through that first December with a newborn. It changed my thinking about the stove.
 
With week-long power outages and the potential for a serious earthquake to make that even longer, we try to be ready here. Ya never know when the crap is going to hit the fan, so I like redundant systems. Now switching from a gas generator to a mulitfuel setup. I don't like using propane, but it stores well and doesn't go stale or mildew like gas or diesel. If we need water, worse case scenario we can go to the spring down the street and haul up wagon load at a time.
 
After being without wood heat for a few years, I still remember back in the 70's when we went back to wood heat. What a relief that was and it was like having a reunion with an old friend. Well, we still have the friend but in a different box. Wood heat is all we have so if the power does go off, we only have to be concerned with refrigeration and water pump. We'll stay plenty warm.
 
We've only had a few minor power outs since moving here. What we noticed quickly while deciding on the house was that there is an outside well with a hand pump attached. Even in the winter, if needed, we could melt some snow, prime that pump and pump water if needed, then heat on the stove (wood, of course). We could also cook on the stove if needed, and do quite often anyway.
Only had the need once, when the power was out for a couple of days, and we've been here for just over 4 years.
 
SolarAndWood said:
My unenvisioned what-if was Suburban Propane trying to put the screws to people in the middle of the heating season. The wood stove made this an option instead of being forced to pay the extortionist. It took the NY attorney general a lot longer to react to this than the wood stove.

Care to share the story? I've been at war with Amerigas over a buried tank that, according to my deed, my sales agreement with forclosing bank and my attorney say I own... Yet Amerigas says it's theirs but can't even produce a bill of sale. That these propane companies jack up the cost of their fuel as a hidden lease charge is a crime! Amerigas was charging over $4.00 a gal. last year for leased tanked but 1/2 that for non-leased tanks. One fill up of a 500 gal. tank is an extraordinary profit for a leased tank. We've since gotten our fill-ups from another company who accepted our documents as proof of ownership.

Also, how long did the tank sit before they came and got it. My BIL called to have Amerigas remove their tank and it sat in their yard for over 3 months.

Carolyn
 
Snag said:
Care to share the story?

Suburban Propane tried to put a rental on any tank that "wasn't making money". They did this in February and threatened to put a lock on the tank with your propane in it if you refused to pay. While the NY attorney general did eventually force them to return the extortion money some time later, he did give them the right to do this with 90 days notice. Their delivery rate was also $4.25/gallon and I couldn't get anyone else in town to fill their tank.

I had fun with the conversation as I sensed that the guy I was talking to was a SOB and I had already pulled the tank to the curb. He used all the scare tactics about my family getting cold, threatening removal fees, ruining our credit, etc. He got very quiet when I told them the tank was at the curb and I would consider it abandoned property in 30 days. It was gone the next morning and that was the last I heard from them.
 
Talk about 'planning ahead'......

From 10/07 through a year ago if we had lost power during the night it would have been a truly 'life or death' situation as my hubby was living with an artificial heart. His 'power' during the day was batteries; at night he was 'plugged into the wall' for power. We ALWAYS had to make sure we had charged up batteries for fear if we lost power during the night the machine which kept him alive only had back-up power for 30 minutes.

Along with the above, it was always up to me to keep the snow cleared from our driveway for those times the EMT's had to make an emergency call at our home or I had to make an emergency exit with hubby.

Thankfully, that time is now behind us since hubby received a heart transplant.
 
I was gonna tell the story about our furnace crapping out, but that is nothing compared to Shari's husbands electric heart!

I agree. Some preparation goes a long way. Knowing you are ready is a nice feeling too.
 
FB -

I didn't mean to make anyone else's "emergency" a downer by stating what we were living with. It's just that 'emergency' has a different meaning to each person - just as 'happiness' has a different meaning for each person. :)
 
It was cold for a week or so and the only hot water was warmed on the old smoke dragon, but nobody's life was in danger. Glad things worked out ok for you.
 
Flatbedford said:
I was gonna tell the story about our furnace crapping out, but that is nothing compared to Shari's husbands electric heart!

No kidding. Never mind my story about running out of milk last Thursday.
 
SolarAndWood said:
Snag said:
Care to share the story?

Suburban Propane tried to put a rental on any tank that "wasn't making money". They did this in February and threatened to put a lock on the tank with your propane in it if you refused to pay. While the NY attorney general did eventually force them to return the extortion money some time later, he did give them the right to do this with 90 days notice. Their delivery rate was also $4.25/gallon and I couldn't get anyone else in town to fill their tank.

I had fun with the conversation as I sensed that the guy I was talking to was a SOB and I had already pulled the tank to the curb. He used all the scare tactics about my family getting cold, threatening removal fees, ruining our credit, etc. He got very quiet when I told them the tank was at the curb and I would consider it abandoned property in 30 days. It was gone the next morning and that was the last I heard from them.

I'm familiar with that. Amerigas doesn't charge a yearly lease either if you allow them to scalp you enough on the per gallon rate. Being new to propane, I wasn't aware we were being charged a higher per gallon rate until I got the first bill for the "tank rental fee". After doing some research, I found out they charge folks different per gallon rates based on gallons used. I also got the late fees, disconnection threats, collection agency threats... I sent them letters they wouldn't respond to. Told them twice (phone and mail) they weren't allowed on my property and put up No Trespassing signs. Also double checked to see if there wasn't any lein filed on the property for the tank. Wasn't until I said I was calling our AG that they decided to turn the matter over to their legal department for investigation. That was several months ago and we've still not seen a bill of sale or any proof they own the tank yet we just got another bill from them last week. They seem like a disorganized lot, I think the bigger propane companies got that way by gobbling small local independents and ended up with a jumble of incomplete records and bad record keeping that they are unable to sort out. Much easier to bully someone into paying the lease and once you pay, you've signed away your right of ownership.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Carolyn
 
I had the same problem with Suburban/Agway. I got a letter stating that they were instituting a $50 rental fee for my tank, because of "the increased cost of steel." I took exception to this, mostly because the tank had a 1962 date stamp on it and cancelled their services. The independent dealer was out at my house within two days and had a new tank hooked up and ready to go with a lower per gallon cost for the LP gas. Back when they were Agway operations in this part of the world they knew their customers and wouldn't have tried such a dumb trick. The lesson I learned is it pays off to find a locally owned dealer.
 
Back on the original topic.
 

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the potential for a serious earthquake
If we need water, worse case scenario we can go to the spring down the street and haul up wagon load at a time.

Be green,

You know your local situation much better than outsiders, but water is pretty important...and an earthquake can change the locations where it flows...

Keeping water, as well as wood stocked up is something to be considered...

Rob
 
Regarding Suburban, I won't even start on my story. But, has anyone thought about how many little blue haired widow women, many on fixed incomes, fall prey to the absurd pricing and threatening tactics these companies use all the time? How some people can sleep at night amazes me.
 
PapaDave said:
We've only had a few minor power outs since moving here. What we noticed quickly while deciding on the house was that there is an outside well with a hand pump attached. Even in the winter, if needed, we could melt some snow, prime that pump and pump water if needed, then heat on the stove (wood, of course). We could also cook on the stove if needed, and do quite often anyway.
Only had the need once, when the power was out for a couple of days, and we've been here for just over 4 years.



Thanks to all who responded.

A couple of thoughts: do you use the pump regularly? Keep it greased? I'd give that some consideration--three or four times a year just give it a working over, so that if the time comes that you need it, it's there. Another thought is to build a little wellhouse over it so that it's easy to access if you get a blizzard.

One other outdoor plumbing facility that makes sense to have tucked away somewhere on the premises is ye old outhouse. Ya never know . . . and it gives you another use for all that ash the woodstove is generating (keep a paper bag in outhouse for wastepaper to be burned, and `flush' with wood ash). Keeps the smell down and the bugs disinterested. Sorry if this grosses anyone out, but it is what it is.

Running out of milk? How did you manage?
 
snowleopard said:
Running out of milk? How did you manage?

Before the night is out that may be the smallest problem. Freezing rain has been falling for a couple of hours and is supposed to continue till morning. Since we are rural and the power lines go through miles of trees that is usually a recipe for a power outage. Problem turns to keeping that milk from spoiling.
 
BrotherBart said:
snowleopard said:
Running out of milk? How did you manage?

Before the night is out that may be the smallest problem. Freezing rain has been falling for a couple of hours and is supposed to continue till morning. Since we are rural and the power lines go through miles of trees that is usually a recipe for a power outage. Problem turns to keeping that milk from spoiling.

Ice chest.
 
Doing The Dixie Eyed Hustle said:
BrotherBart said:
snowleopard said:
Running out of milk? How did you manage?

Before the night is out that may be the smallest problem. Freezing rain has been falling for a couple of hours and is supposed to continue till morning. Since we are rural and the power lines go through miles of trees that is usually a recipe for a power outage. Problem turns to keeping that milk from spoiling.

Ice chest.

uuhhhh....isn't the milk in an ice chest already?
 
BrotherBart said:
snowleopard said:
Running out of milk? How did you manage?

Before the night is out that may be the smallest problem. Freezing rain has been falling for a couple of hours and is supposed to continue till morning. Since we are rural and the power lines go through miles of trees that is usually a recipe for a power outage. Problem turns to keeping that milk from spoiling.

Well, it's winter- couldn't the milk just go outside or in an unheated garage? Cooler on the deck? Keeping things cold during the winter months makes for an easy problem to solve.
We had an ice storm out here 2 years ago- when we woke up in the morning it sounded like shotguns going off around the house from all the limbs breaking. Needless to say, lost power for 11 days with no generator. No problem, however, as the wood stove kepth the house nice and toasty and also provided a cooking surface. Wife and kids came back home after 7 days (and a generator purchase) and thoroughly enjoyed themselves.

We were the lucky ones- some people went 3 weeks without power.
 
Everybody here has heard my power outages, snowbank food storage and wood heating stories too many times for me to repeat them again. :lol:

Stay warm.
 
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