Concrete Walls

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Jan 2, 2011
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Western MI
I have a Lennox 340 Canyon woodstove insert in the basement. The basement walls are bare poured concrete walls and the floor is concrete with no carpet or coverings. The basement is probably 900 square feet. I can only get the basement to about 68 degrees in winter in Michigan. The basement normally stays at about 60 or 61. Are the concrete walls absorbing all the heat? Do you think if I roughed it in and insulated it the basement would be nice and toasty?
 
Those concrete walls suck all that heat out of the room and give it to the dirt outside. Damn them!

I had the same problem but I finished my basement last winter and now the room is nice and toasty. Mayhap too toasty.
 
Whats nice is if you can insulate on the outside of the walls and the whole thing turns into heat storage.
 
Basements with poured concrete walls are humid & cooler than rest of house in summer,like a freezer in winter. Spend any time in parking ramps to get an idea how miserable they can be.
 
I have 2" foam on the outside of mine but one whole wall is open to elements as its a walkout. That wall is a cold sink when it get in the single digits.
 
oldspark said:
Whats nice is if you can insulate on the outside of the walls and the whole thing turns into heat storage.

True, but it involves a whole lot of work which for me = procrastination. Insulating them on the inside is soooo much easier, that I say, if this is not new construction, to heck with the heatsink.
 
BeGreen said:
oldspark said:
Whats nice is if you can insulate on the outside of the walls and the whole thing turns into heat storage.

True, but it involves a whole lot of work which for me = procrastination. Insulating them on the inside is soooo much easier, that I say, if this is not new construction, to heck with the heatsink.

Yep, if we ever build again, doubtful without winning the lottery, I am doing the insulated foam core basement walls. House up the road has them, warmest basement I have ever been in. Oh and.. And a Tuliviki in the basement and an equinox in the master bed/bath/suite. I have decided to not worry about code when I get rich, besides it can't be that dangerous to sleep with a stove in the room, half this forum does it in an easy chair or couch daily (or rather, nightly), just not in the bedroom..lol

;-)

Working now on getting the basement insulated here, inside.
 
Adding some batting to the rim joist will help too. Most older homes the onlything between the outside and the basement is 1 3/4" of wood up in that rim joist area.
 
Dakotas Dad said:
Yep, if we ever build again, doubtful without winning the lottery, I am doing the insulated foam core basement walls. House up the road has them, warmest basement I have ever been in. Oh and.. And a Tuliviki in the basement and an equinox in the master bed/bath/suite. I have decided to not worry about code when I get rich, besides it can't be that dangerous to sleep with a stove in the room, half this forum does it in an easy chair or couch daily (or rather, nightly), just not in the bedroom

Working now on getting the basement insulated here, inside.


DD, from the items on your wish list, it looks like you're one of those crazy heat storage conspiracists... just like me.


We moved in here in late November, 1991. Small 3-bedroom home, but with electric baseboard heat. Niagara Mohawk gave me the records for the past five years electric usage, and I quickly saw that this wouldn't work for our income. January and February alone were close to $1200... 20 years ago when we were making 1/4 of what we earn now. There is a two-flue chimney in the house, with a thimble into the smaller flue in the basement. The landlord suggested that we put a barrel stove down there (farm country around here), saying he had one in his basement and it heated the whole place fine. I wasn't really keen on putting a contraption like that in my home, no matter how much heat it could produce. I told him that if he paid for the materials, I'd put up insulated walls all around. He agreed.

So the race was on. First thing I had to do was set my repair shop up, because that was our entire income when the kids were little. Then a friend gave me a stove, but it was in very rough shape, so I had to rebuild it from the bottom up. Plugged it into the flue and started shoving wood through it as fast as I could. It took about two weeks to get anything warmed up down there, but even then it was a losing battle. By mid-January, we were ready to make a sprint to get the walls up, but I had to work as fast as I could on my repair backlog so I could make up for the lost income. It wasn't until sometime in March that we finally got the walls taped and spackled. By then, the worst of winter had passed.

The following year was like a dream come true. Cheap heat, using only 4 1/2 cord of wood compared to the 10-12 cord we burned in the old furnace in the last place. All I can say is you need a mighty big stove to heat an entire house from an uninsulated basement. A barrel stove would have done it, but it would have sucked the life out of me getting the wood to feed it. R-12 walls all around make a huge difference, and are a pretty cheap investment if you do the work yourself.

The heat storage capacity of sheetrock is nothing to ignore, either - about .5 BTU/sq.ft.-ºF. For a typical small ranch of 1200 sq.ft and an interior finished surface area of about 1000 sq.ft, that's 500 BTU stored for every degree you can raise it. The walls near my stove can reached over 100ºF 10 feet away. That's 30º higher than room temp, so it is will release 15 BTU/sq.ft. as it drops to room temp. Going to 2 layers of 5/8" rock will store 37.5 BTU.sq.ft. Even if you can only get the 300 sq.ft. of surface area up that high, it will be 11,000 BTU stored - more than a 300 pound cast iron or steel stove will store at an average temp of 400º. Then, of course, there is the other 700 sq.ft. that will get at least somewhat higher than room temp if they are exposed to the direct radiation from the stove.

Or you can hold off on the second layer and put a layer of 1/2" phase-change sheetrock when and if it finally comes to market. 1/2" of that stuff will store about 4 times the heat of a 1/2" sheet of regular rock. Have no idea about the price, but I suspect it will be up there.


None of this is free heat. You still have to use wood to get it up there in temperature. Still, it goes a long way toward maintaining comfortable air temps in the living space during the variations in heat output throughout the burn cycle.
 
The previous owners of our place finished the basement...they did a good job, leaving a 12" space around the entire basement between the poured concrete walls and the drywall. Great idea since it allows air flow around the walls in the event of any weeping. Basement is bone dry, but I do like the fact air can get the the concrete.

Anyways...they used 1/2" sheetrock...which was good...but they did not put insulation between the studs! I can not believe with all the money they spent, they did not insulate the walls. Now that the walls are up, it would be a lot of work to put insulation in between the studs. If they had only left 2ft, I could get behind and put insulation between the studs all the way around...but at 1ft, I can't get there without cutting out a lot of drywall.

So, to answer your question...bare walls will suck the heat from the basement. With sheetrock walls, you will gain some protection as noted above...but if you do put walls up - I highly recommend you put insulation up as well!
 
eujamfh said:
The previous owners of our place finished the basement...they did a good job, leaving a 12" space around the entire basement between the poured concrete walls and the drywall. Great idea since it allows air flow around the walls in the event of any weeping. Basement is bone dry, but I do like the fact air can get the the concrete.

Anyways...they used 1/2" sheetrock...which was good...but they did not put insulation between the studs! I can not believe with all the money they spent, they did not insulate the walls. Now that the walls are up, it would be a lot of work to put insulation in between the studs. If they had only left 2ft, I could get behind and put insulation between the studs all the way around...but at 1ft, I can't get there without cutting out a lot of drywall.

So, to answer your question...bare walls will suck the heat from the basement. With sheetrock walls, you will gain some protection as noted above...but if you do put walls up - I highly recommend you put insulation up as well!

I say blow in 12" of insulation and have r38 walls!

On a more serious note.. you could "remove" an access area (or two) from each third "bay", then install bats in three bays at a time... reaching through the hole.. not easy, but maybe worth it.
 
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