New Article About Fireplaces and Woodstoves

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I live in the sticks so it may be different elsewhere (California?) but all the hippies I know shoot their own meat whenever the opportunity arises and make good use of all available resources, including wood to heat themselves in winter.

What was the topic of this thread?
 
ddug said:
What was the topic of this thread?

Which weighs more; the ancient Egyptian pyramids or the Chrysler Building?
 
I found the article useful because I always thought the pyramids weighed more.

Actually, I found it useful because if some folks are hostile to woodburning, it's good to know what direction the rocks will be flying from. I had no idea, actually, that burning firewood was looked at askance; I thought it was considered a carbon-neutral means of heating your house, esp. if you harvest it close to home. Yes, the outdoor boilers in which everything from sidewalls to old pig carcasses are being used for fuel have their detractors, but I don't consider that heating with wood.

It's like knowing where it's not wise to wear your fur hat.
 
bjkjoseph said:
we need farmers and open country...but we also need cities...and we cant have clean air in the city because why?you lost me.
I live 50 miles from Boston. Cities are good and clean air in the cities is even better. I work in commercial construction, most of my work is in cities. We just don't need righteous people telling us when to burn. There are states with burn bans, I don't want that in my state. Burning wood for heat is better for the environment than burning oil. Maybe not in the city, wouldn't be do-able. But I hope those people in the article don't influence the entire nation against burning wood.

Happy burning! ;-P
 
Here's the article for anyone who wants to read it and can't get to the page! Like you BrowningBAR! :cheese:


The Love Affair With the Fireplace Cools
By CHRISTINA S. N. LEWIS
Published: January 19, 2011
Taken from NYTimes.com

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WINSOME BROWN, an actress and writer, and her husband, Claude Arpels, own an enviable apartment in TriBeCa worthy of a spread in an interior design magazine. The apartment — which is, in fact, being considered for an issue of Elle Décor — has maple floors, casement windows and all the character one would expect to find in a building that was once a factory.
But one of the features that many people in the city would pay a premium for is something the owners don’t like: the fireplace.

“A wood-burning fire in the city is a ridiculous luxury — we would never have put it in ourselves,†said Mr. Arpels, grandson of one of the founders of Van Cleef & Arpels and the former managing partner of Netto Collection, a baby furniture company bought by Maclaren. “In the city, it doesn’t make sense to burn fires, because it’s inefficient and it’s polluting.â€

Hard as it may be to believe, the fireplace — long considered a trophy, particularly in a city like New York — is acquiring a social stigma. Among those who aspire to be environmentally responsible, it is joining the ranks of bottled water and big houses.

“The smoke from a fire smells very nice,†said Diane Bailey, a senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council in San Francisco. “But it can cause a lot of harm.†The tiny particles, she said, “can cause inflammation and illness, and can cross into the bloodstream, triggering heart attacks†as well as worsening other conditions.

Or as Starre Vartan, a 33-year-old blogger who goes by the name Eco-Chick, put it: “Any time you are burning wood or cow dung, you’ll be creating pollution. It’s like junk food: if you do it once a month, then who cares? But if it’s something you do every day, it’s important that you mitigate it somehow. It’s a hazard.â€

Not surprisingly, the green community has been sounding the alarm for some time. For the last several years, TheDailyGreen.com, an online magazine, has advocated replacing all wood-burning fireplaces with electric ones; an article published in September by Shireen Qudosi, entitled “Breathe Easier With a Cleaner Fireplace,†argued that there is no such thing as an environmentally responsible fire: “Switching out one type of wood for another is still use of a natural resource that otherwise could have been spared,†Ms. Qudosi wrote. And last fall, an article on the Web site GreenBlizzard.com, “Cozy Winter Fires — Carbon Impact,†called wood-burning fires “a direct pollutant to you, your family and your community.â€

Organizations like the American Lung Association are issuing warnings as well: the group recommends that consumers avoid wood fires altogether, citing research that names wood stoves and fireplaces as major contributors to particulate-matter air pollution in much of the United States.

Wood smoke contains some of the same particulates as cigarette smoke, said Dr. Norman H. Edelman, the chief medical officer for the American Lung Association, as well as known carcinogens like aldehydes; it has also been linked to respiratory problems in young children.

“We now know from lots of studies that wood smoke is very, very irritating,†Dr. Edelman said. “It contains a lot of irritating gases and it also contains damaging particulate matter. It’s probably not good for anybody, and it’s especially bad for anybody who has a chronic respiratory problem.†So the association strongly advises people not to use the traditional fireplace, he said.

Certainly, there are many who consider this eco-overkill. In Greek mythology, fire is a gift from the divine, stolen from Zeus by Prometheus and handed over to shivering humanity. What could be more natural than sitting around a crackling fire on a winter night, at a campsite in the Berkshires or in a Brooklyn brownstone?

But growing concerns about the air pollution and health problems caused by smoke from wood fires are prompting a number of areas across the country to pass laws regulating them.

“A lot of municipalities are taking action,†said Ms. Bailey, adding that the weather-based measures called burn bans are perhaps the most widespread restriction. When the weather is cold and the air is still, or pollution is high, the Bay Area in California, Puget Sound, Wash., Denver and Albuquerque are among the places with restrictions on residential wood-burning. These measures can be mandatory or voluntary, and can become more restrictive as air quality declines. So far, most of the wood-burning regulations tend to be out West. A few examples: Idaho offers tax incentives to people who replace uncertified wood stoves with “greener†ones; San Joaquin County in California forbids selling a home unless its wood stove is replaced with an E.P.A.-certified one; and Palo Alto and other municipalities in California
prohibit wood-burning fireplaces or stoves in new construction.


Perhaps not coincidentally, sales of wood-burning appliances dropped to 235,000 in 2009 from 800,000 in 1999, according to the Hearth, Patio and Barbecue Association. And the Brick Industry Association, which promotes brick construction, reports that roughly 35,000 masonry fireplaces were installed in the United States in 2009, compared to 80,000 in 2005. Certainly those numbers reflect the economic slowdown, but they may also be affected by growing ambivalence to wood fires.
 
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In any case, most fireplaces are used far too infrequently to cause any real damage to the environment, said Stephen Sears, the vice president of marketing and member services for the Brick Industry Association, voicing an opinion shared by some. In the East, he wrote in an e-mail, air pollution is at its worst in the summer, and in the West the regulations are an overreaction: “Because it is not realistic to test each unique masonry fireplace in a laboratory†to evaluate its emissions, he noted, “it is easier for some municipalities to arbitrarily limit†the use of all wood-burning fireplaces.

Frederica Georgia for The New York Times
Sally Treadwell, with her daughters Natalie, 18, on the floor, and Emma, 14, rarely makes a fire.
Karen Soucy, an associate publisher at a nonprofit environmental magazine, isn’t swayed by that argument. She refuses to enter a home where wood has been burned, even infrequently.

Ms. Soucy, 46, blames fumes from a wood fire for sending her to the emergency room 25 years ago with a severe asthma attack. She had been staying at a friend’s house in Stowe, Vt., for about a day, she said, when her lungs seized up. She was taken to a hospital in an ambulance, and got two shots of adrenalin; the doctors blamed her friend’s cat.

“It was only later, working with a team of allergy doctors and pulmonologists, did we determine the culprit to be the wood-burning fumes from the various fireplaces,†Ms. Soucy said.

Now her husband scouts out any place they go in advance, to be sure it’s free of fireplaces, and she passes up countless dinners and parties. “I’m the one who feels guilty for always being the one to decline invitations or for making people go out of their way to clean their home,†she said. Even then, she added, “the smell lingers on everything.â€

FOR those who still want to build a fire, there are several ways to make it more environmentally friendly, experts say, including using an energy-efficient wood or pellet stove certified by the Environmental Protection Agency or retrofitting a fireplace with an insert (a device, usually made of iron or steel, that fits into the mouth of a fireplace and enables it to heat more efficiently).

Ms. Brown’s and Mr. Arpels’s solution was to install an energy-efficient wood stove in one of the three fireplaces at their farm in Chatham, N.Y. The surrounding countryside is filled with downed trees that would decompose anyway, said Ms. Brown, 38. And Mr. Arpels, 41, gets some exercise from splitting the logs.

“Basically we’re not transporting things using oil from across the world to our house,†she added. “We think this is pretty good, environmentally.â€

Wickham Boyle, 60, a writer and consultant for nonprofit arts organizations, installed a soapstone stove in her Hudson Valley house after a saleswoman explained that it had a catalytic combustor that converts smoke into water and carbon dioxide. Guests sometimes ask her if she feels guilty about burning wood, she said, but she recites a laundry list of the stove’s high-efficiency features, explaining to them that the environmental impact is negligible due to the combustor, and that she mainly uses fallen wood cleared from her land or other properties nearby.

Not everyone can afford such a stove, which can cost upward of $2,000, including installation (Ms. Boyle paid $3,000 for hers).

Converting a wood-burning fireplace to gas can be just as expensive, and while electric fireboxes are cheaper — just a few hundred dollars — most consider them a poor substitute for a real fire, since there is no flame. So some people are simply using their fireplaces less often, or not at all.

Sally Treadwell, a 51-year-old public relations executive in Boone, N.C., said nothing makes her happier than building a fire on a cold winter night. But most of the time she doesn’t, she said, because she feels too guilty about the damage it may do to the environment.

“We’re in the Appalachian Mountains, and I know what pollution does to us all,†Ms. Treadwell said. “I very definitely limit fires. I’d have one every single winter night if I didn’t have some guilt.â€

When she does build a fire, she should use only seasoned dry wood, according to the E.P.A. Web site, because it burns hotter and releases less smoke. And the firewood for sale at the corner deli — or even the wood supplied by a delivery service — might not be seasoned, even if it is advertised as such, said David R. Brown, a public health toxicologist in Connecticut. To ensure that the wood is dry, he added, it should be stored for at least six months before being burned.

There is also the fire-building technique to consider. Most people don’t realize that the fire should be kept hot (with high, visible flames) for the first 20 minutes, Mr. Brown said, so that the chimney will heat up and the smoke will disperse; otherwise, the smoke tends to drift into the house, causing an increased health hazard.

Even the greenest of the green, though, sometimes throw caution to the winds when it comes to wood fires. Sue Duncan, a 52-year-old landscaper in Austin, Tex., uses native drought-tolerant plants in her landscaping work and hasn’t thrown away an aluminum can since 1974, she said. She has installed a programmable thermostat and fluorescent lighting in her 1,600-square-foot house and has a rainwater collection system out back.

But somehow, she still hasn’t gotten around to retrofitting her fireplace. Every time she builds a fire, it causes “inner conflict,†she said. “Itâ™s a guilty pleasure.â€

A version of this article appeared in print on January 20, 2011, on page D1 of the New York edition..
 
Here are the pics from it:


Pic 1: Winsome Brown and Claude Arpels use a wood stove at their country house. I love hippies! Remember Cheech and Chong, they used to burn stuff too!!

Pic 2: Wickham Boyle and her husband Zachary Minor use a soapstone stove. Nice looking stove, I want one!

Pic 3: Sally Treadwell, with her daughters Natalie, 18, on the floor, and Emma, 14, rarely makes a fire. Nice fireplace, she needs an Epa rated stove in there. Then she can turn off her central heat and really be green!
 

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NY Times and Boston Globe cater to the trust fund crowd - they love to tell others how to live their lives and have all the answers - LOL!
 
This article is by New Yorkers, for New York City dwellers. The point being that in Manhattan, wood burning is maybe not the best idea. The air pollution created by 8 million people doesn't need to be exacerbated by additional smoke. I have no argument with that. But as the couple mentioned in the article point out, outside of the city, it is a responsible way of heating.

One irony not pointed out is that New Yorkers love good pizza and some of the best in the city is made in wood-fired ovens. Ah, the sacrifices we make... :)
 
I really have to chuckle at how folks will latch onto technologies (be they transportation, heating, food production....) and use them as identity emblems. I'm pretty positive that my grandparents would be well amused too to know that how you might grow vegetables in your garden, or the manner of heating your house, would ever be considered a political act. When all of these preferences merge into "what we HAVE to do", we'll be much better off, I think.
 
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