Weird problem with my englander 25 ep hope someone has a solution...

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pauly2110

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HI guys, I have been very happy with my englander 25-ep thus far, as last night before i filled up the hopper before bed i did the routine of pulling on the heat exchange tubes scraper/cleaning tool that is connected with about a 3/16 or 1/4 size metal rod that comes out of stove that i move back and forth to clean and scrap ash from heat exchange tubes and dumps the ash into the ash pan. Last night when i was doing this routine suddenly the rod that connects to the heat exchange tube scraper snapped from the scraper, i went in to take a look today and found a hole from where the rod connects on the tube scrapper, is the only thing i can do is hire someone to weld the 2 peices together or is there any other thing i can do to attach this thing together again??? i think its not a common problem and might be confusing for some who read this, if you need any more details please let me know.

Stove works fine its just makes it much messier to clean as now i have to take out the baffle witch the scrapper is behind as all the ash falls out and then there is a ton more ash there now since i can't scrap it daily useing the heat exchange tube scraper while the stove is on with door closed any longer makes it much harder to clean as ash flys throughtout the house now as soon as i touch the baffle, anyone got any ideas??, thank you
 
I have 2 Rods on my Quad. 1 on my Fahrenhiet. Is there any panel's that come off the back end of your heat exchanger channel? Leading down to your combustion blower? Not real familiar with your model. Look in the very back/bottom of your stove. My Quad has a panel that comes off the very bottom/back of the channel that the tubes are in. You could pull that "end" off and replace the rod and scraper. Or have someone weld it. I would be very careful with the welding. Welding can cause the steel to "pull" and warp. making the scraper more inefficient. Good Luck
 
i cant take the scrapper plate of because the wall in back of the baffle is fixed as the tubes run through that and then to the back of stove, any kind of heat resistant tape i could use? or anything that would get this thing back in one piece..
 
How was the rod fastened to the scrapper, you mention a hole, was there a fitting that the rod went into? Are there threads on the rod?
 
Not sure if this is the same, but on my Astoria, the rod was threaded on the end, and the scraper plate had a nut welded to it....the rod screwed into it, and there was another nut that was tightened against the plate to "jam" it from moving.

Doesn't show-up in the owners manual, but I'd try giving Englander a call. Or, you might try sending a PM to forum member "corie"....he was the designer of the EP series stoves, IIRC.
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
I think that corie has a new member name I believe it is SmokingAndPoking these days.
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No, I don't think so. That person has a NY address listed.

"Corie" works for Englander in Va. Under his forum name, occupation is listed as "stove engineer" located in Va.
 
guys it was welded on , no screws or thread to report, i will try to take a picture next time I clean my stove to give you a better idea, the rod can fit through the hole so maybe if i can get anything to fasten the rod at other end of scraper then it will work, but just dont know what i can use, this is very aggravating just want to fix this any way i can, maybe welding it together would be the only thing that can be done, :long:
 
pauly2110 said:
guys it was welded on , no screws or thread to report, i will try to take a picture next time I clean my stove to give you a better idea, the rod can fit through the hole so maybe if i can get anything to fasten the rod at other end of scraper then it will work, but just dont know what i can use, this is very aggravating just want to fix this any way i can, maybe welding it together would be the only thing that can be done, :long:
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Until then get a good ash vac or shop-vac with HEPA filter and clean those tubes before they get to hard to clean. Get a good long brush and run your vac, with the stove cold.. Of course.
 
Get a die put a thread on the rod (or find a rod with a thread on it) and use a couple of nuts to hold the scrapper on the rod.
 
pauly2110 said:
guys it was welded on , no screws or thread to report, i will try to take a picture next time I clean my stove to give you a better idea, the rod can fit through the hole so maybe if i can get anything to fasten the rod at other end of scraper then it will work, but just dont know what i can use, this is very aggravating just want to fix this any way i can, maybe welding it together would be the only thing that can be done, :long:
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How long have you had the stove? Warranty issue?
 
I bought the stove in NOV, and that part specificly is not metioned under the warrenty but i will try to call tommorw, Smokey where can i get a rod of that size with a thread at the end do you think? and also what kind of steel does it have to be to hold up in the stove?, if i knew how to thread the end of the existing rod i would do that...
 
pauly2110 said:
guys it was welded on , no screws or thread to report, i will try to take a picture next time I clean my stove to give you a better idea, the rod can fit through the hole so maybe if i can get anything to fasten the rod at other end of scraper then it will work, but just dont know what i can use, this is very aggravating just want to fix this any way i can, maybe welding it together would be the only thing that can be done, :long:
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you say the rod fits through the hole in the scraper.. if you can push it through so that their is about 1/4" sticking out the back side and get 2 small screw style hose clamps and clamp them to the rod on either side of the scraper to keep the rod from sliding either way in the hole.. this may only be a temp. fix but it just may get you by untill englander can come up with a fix for you.. if the clamps wont work maybe some kind of high temp epoxy will hold it in place.. if your stove is still under warranty i would call englander so they can make it right for you.. their is no reason that if that rod was welded properly that it should have came off the scraper plate..
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
Get a die put a thread on the rod (or find a rod with a thread on it) and use a couple of nuts to hold the scrapper on the rod.
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Smokey....Great minds think alike! That's exactly what I was going to suggest. If your rod is the same size as mine, it should thread to 1/4 - 20. Thread it, push the rod in through the front of the stove, thread one nut on, push it through the scraper, and put the other nut on and tighten it good. It's possible that the hole in the scraper is smaller than 1/4-20. You can get a long drill bit and drill it out through the front of the stove. Don't despair, it can be done! We'll help you out.

Chan
 
pauly2110 said:
SmokeyTheBear said:
I don't know the size of that rod but here is a place to find die sets ...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...21x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00952312000P
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great i will go out and buy that tommorow and try to get this thing resolved, just have to get the end of the rod smoothed out its jagged as it broke off from the scrapper, thanks
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Make sure you get the correct size die for that rod and don't forget the two nuts(also the correct ones to fit the new threads).
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
I don't know the size of that rod but here is a place to find die sets ...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...21x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00952312000P
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Nice to have, but not a lot of good if you don't have a die holder handle.

If you're going to buy a set of dies, get the complete package of taps & dies that come with handles....they come in VERY handy sometimes.

Doesn't have to be this set, but you get the idea:

www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00952341000P?prdNo=8&blockNo=8&blockType=G8
 
imacman said:
SmokeyTheBear said:
I don't know the size of that rod but here is a place to find die sets ...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...21x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00952312000P
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Nice to have, but not a lot of good if you don't have a die holder handle.

If you're going to buy a set of dies, get the complete package of taps & dies that come with handles....they come in VERY handy sometimes.

Doesn't have to be this set, but you get the idea:

www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00952341000P?prdNo=8&blockNo=8&blockType=G8
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will stainless steel work for the kind of metal just in case i have to get a new rod due to the uneven end on the end of the rod that broke off, or can i file it down some how to make it smooth, regardless i found this rod if it will work http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Round-ASTM-A582-Length/dp/B000HZV51Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
 
You can get stainless rod in fact you can also get threaded rod.

At the bottom of the link I provide there were also full tap and die sets and broken bolt/screw removers.

You should be able to file the end of that rod flat if needed.
 
You do NOT need to buy stainless for that part....mild steel (or hot rolled) will do just fine. And besides, threading stainless is not the easiest thing to do.

Go to a local steel supply, iron works, or a welding shop.....even a place that makes porch railings. They should have an assortment of round rod in different dia.

Call Englander before you do this....they may have a simple solution.
 
imacman said:
You do NOT need to buy stainless for that part....mild steel (or hot rolled) will do just fine. And besides, threading stainless is not the easiest thing to do.

Go to a local steel supply, iron works, or a welding shop.....even a place that makes porch railings. They should have an assortment of round rod in different dia.

Call Englander before you do this....they may have a simple solution.
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HD, Lowes, and a lot of hardware stores carry small assortments of metal rod, both smooth and threaded. They also carry bar, angles, and plate.
 
Some dies are hex shaped and can be worked with channel locks. If you have a vise, you can put the die in the vice and screw the rog into the die. Just trying to save a little money....On the same note, maybe a local garage could thread it for you? I know I would do it as a favor.

Chan
 
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