Blaze King Princess Cat Questions

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Umbrella

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Feb 5, 2011
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Fairbanks, Alaska
Hello,

I recently upgraded from a soapstone stove to a Blaze King Princess (it's one year old now) and after a few months of use my wife called me in a panic one day saying that smoke was coming from the back of the stove and it was leaking black stuff. So I came home and saw the cat was plugged and after cleaning the stove out and checking the stove pipe everything looked fine. I switched from burning Birch that had only dried for 1 season to 2 season Spruce that is quartered. The stove started to do the same smoking again today. I always keep the stove in the active range and I always load it up full when I load it with wood. What could be the problem here? Is my wood causing it? How can I fix this other than just cleaning the stove out? Will burning a hot fire with damper and door open clear it?
 
It's at 2 most of the day. It' gets turned up to 3 on cold days when we first get home. I have yet to turn it down below 2 though. Active zone is usually in that 2nd area. I try to keep it well into the active zone. So should I load some smaller wood in and then close the door and close the by-pass?
 
Really need to have a year at least on that wood. 3-6 months isn't long enough, especially if that wood was cut in the spring or summer.
 
NATE379 said:
Really need to have a year at least on that wood. 3-6 months isn't long enough, especially if that wood was cut in the spring or summer.

The spruce is actually surprisingly dry. When I just snap two pieces of kindling together they make a nice crisp sound. Not the dull thud of wet wood. However, I can get a moister gauge and see how must moisture is in the larger pieces.
 
How often do you do maintenance on the cat? I like to brush off or vacuum the fly ash out once every cord of wood burned. If your wood isn't up to par you may want to clean it more often, burn a little hotter or longer in the bypass mode before engaging.
 
I haven't cleaned it out for 2 months. Maybe that is what the problem is. I was going to let the fire burn out today and look up in there and vacuum out all the ash.

The black residue was leaking from the back middle area. That is that metal cover. It looks like it was just dripping down off of that.
 
If you have smoke coming out the back of the stove (where the intake is) then you have a backwards draft going. How tight is your house? Bathroom/stove exhaust fans? Dryer running?

But the stove was working fine before this. So something changed. Have you done any work on the house?
 
kgrant said:
If you have smoke coming out the back of the stove (where the intake is) then you have a backwards draft going. How tight is your house? Bathroom/stove exhaust fans? Dryer running?

But the stove was working fine before this. So something changed. Have you done any work on the house?

I actually just bought this house and it came with the Princess installed. I've been in here since November 2010 and they got the stove January of that year. I am not sure how tight this house is but it does have a H-Vac system. I just went down and checked the H-Vac logs and it does show that the H-Vac was active during the smoke incident today.
 
I would look into installing an outdoor air kit (OAK) for the stove.

This is a serious situation and you should not burn the stove until it is fixed.
 
I don't know if an OAK would be that great. I live on a hill and the wind is pretty random up here. Would that pose a risk to creating a negative pressure zone?
 
Sounds like the prior residents didn't burn proper and your chimney may be dirty and dripping liquid creosote down through the bypass. I'd get the whole system cleaned out before burning again.
 
Is this black stuff on the outside of hte stove or inside the stove?
 
There is a little creosote on the inside but not more than is "typically" in the stove. The liquid creosote was on the outside.

From the sound and look of things I am going to get a chimney sweep and inspection scheduled Monday and also go out and get a wood moister gauge to see if this spruce is to moist. It seems to burn fine and ignites right away. The ends show some signs of cracking and the wood doesn't feel heavy or make a dull sound when I hit two pieces together. I am going to clean out the whole stove today and make sure that the cat isn't plugged with ash or that there isn't creosote build up on it.

The liquid creosote was dripping out of the slot on the back middle.
 
You probably already know but that slot in the back in the air intake. So smoke/creosote coming out of there is only going to happen if there is a negative pressure in the house. Sounds to me like the stove is starving for air at times.
 
I'm sure you could. But how sealed is your crawl space? Any modern construction should be pretty air tight.
 
kgrant said:
I'm sure you could. But how sealed is your crawl space? Any modern construction should be pretty air tight.

House is almost 2 years old now and there is an air intake for the furnace room which is in the crawl space so I figured that the ambient air in the crawl space could easily handle the amount of air needed to fill the fire and that if more air is needed it would flow in from the air intake in the furnace room.
 
Might work. But if the air intake is sized for the furnace, would it be enough for when the wood stove and furnace are running at the same time?

If you were having enough smoke to create creosote in the air intake, you must have had a huge amount of smoke coming into the house?
 
Well I figured that the air in the crawl space would serve as a "reservoir" of air and that as the stove slowly pulls air from this massive crawl space the air would be replaced by the intake. The intake is an 8". I will look more at it the closer summer gets. You should know we still have a bit of winter to go. It was just a small amount of smoke actually. As soon as I saw it I just opened the door and damper and the smoke vanished right away.
 
8" should provide plenty of air. That's all it's for is the furnace? Does the dryer or anything else get air from the crawlspace?
 
Umbrella said:
There is a little creosote on the inside but not more than is "typically" in the stove. The liquid creosote was on the outside.

From the sound and look of things I am going to get a chimney sweep and inspection scheduled Monday and also go out and get a wood moister gauge to see if this spruce is to moist. It seems to burn fine and ignites right away. The ends show some signs of cracking and the wood doesn't feel heavy or make a dull sound when I hit two pieces together. I am going to clean out the whole stove today and make sure that the cat isn't plugged with ash or that there isn't creosote build up on it.

The liquid creosote was dripping out of the slot on the back middle.

It does sounds like your issues extend a bit beyond a dirty cat. It will be interesting to see what the sweep finds.

What's your chimney like? How does the stove vent?
 
I have a king, but had my cat start to plug from some almost seasoned spruce.
I was able to add some good dry birch, got it good & hot before I closed the bypass.
cat had several partially open holes & as it got hot, it cleaned the others.
Took about 2 hours of burning pretty hot, but the cat temp never got to max.
I burned one more 1/2 load of dry birch, hot, almost got the cat to max temp, it burns well now.

Try a vacuum on the grate that covers the cat (do it when the stove is cold)
It may open the cat enough to get a hot fire to clean it out.
Back of the op manual has a method to clean the cat,
it also mentions the best way is to burn a good hot fire every now & then with dry wood.

good luck, learning to burn properly in the new efficient cat stoves, is a challenge sometimes, but once learned, good heat with less wood & less air pollution.
But you GOT TO HAVE DRY WOOD for sure. Self teacher, like you just experienced, & me too. (DRY WOOD)
 
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