Too much draft in castine?

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dvellone

Feeling the Heat
Sep 21, 2006
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I posted earlier here regarding my concerns about a possible over fire and since then I've noticed that my surface stove temps will run up to 650+ with anything over a small load even with the draft control shut down.

I usually run the stove on high until the fire is strong then taper it back about 1/2 - 3/4 open until the surface thermometer reads 4-450. I then shut it down to just a crack open and it typically will maintain between 4 and 500 through the height of it's burn. I would never close it down all the way as the fire would starve a bit and I'd get back-puffing when the built up gasses would ignite.

Now, I'm not able to keep the temps in the that 4-500 range and anything more than a very small load will burn at 650-700 easily even with the draft control closed down all the way.
The fire itself doesn't look like it's running all that hard, but the secondaries really blast like a forge.

I am burning some very dry wood, though I wouldn't say unusually dry.

I did do a dollar bill test on the door seal and for 75% of the door I was unable to pull the bill through when the door was closed. There are several spots along the bottom where I can pull the bill through fairly easily. The gasket is the original, and this is it's third winter (the stove is my primary heater.)

My flue runs straight up from the top of the stove, no bends.

Could it be that I'm leaking enough along the bottom of the door to cause this lack of control over the burn?
Is being able to pull the bill through the door seal indicative of a bad seal?
 
what is your burn time like and what was it like before you started getting higher temps?
 
stoveguy13 said:
what is your burn time like and what was it like before you started getting higher temps?

Seems like it's shorter. Temps run up to 650+ and wood burns down fairly quickly to a nice hot bed of coals, and in the past the 4-500 peak burn seemed to last longer before the temps tapered off.
 
may want tocheck the ashpan gasket it would be more likely to creat what you are talking about then the front door
 
Dvellone...I've got a very similar set up to yours, straight pipe and a Castine. This has been my first season to burn it.

Just to confirm what you think: I've noticed that the Castine can burn very hot with anything below 10 % moisture wood, I've found, and you might just be experiencing that. I'd say that is probably NOT it though, as you mentioned that his is the third year of burning and I'm assuming that this is not an old problem. I'm predicting that somewhere in the past you've burned wood almost identical to your current fuel, but with no run away burn issues?

If everything above is true, then That would seem to point to a leaky gasket, or other air infiltration. (I'm sure you've checked the ash pan door as well, right?) I've never tested my door gasket as you have, but I will tonight and let you know what I find. Are you saying that the dollar bill slides through with no resistance at all? If so, yeah, I'd say this is the likely problem. Gaskets are a maintenance item, after all.

Not to question what you want either, but to my way of thinking, a stove that burns at those temps consistently, with a strong secondary burn, is the holy grail. Of course, you may be heating a smaller space that I am, and need better regulation. I had to overcome my aversion to choking the fire down all the way and not feel like I was snuffing it. The Castine just seems to operate fine with the air shut down, or nearly down, if your wood is the right kind. I've never had mine puff either when I do that. Let those horses run, I'd say.
 
stoveguy13 said:
may want tocheck the ashpan gasket it would be more likely to creat what you are talking about then the front door

I can pull a bill through along about a quarter of the top.

But that's one of my questions; should I be unable to pull a bill through? For much of the seal I can't pull it through without likely ripping the bill, and along those spots where I can pull it through there is some resistance though not much.
 
It wouldnt hurt to change it it cant hurt
 
Ploughboy, yeah my space is small and those hotter burns make for shorts and tee-shirt conditions in here. But, more concerning is the fact that anything above a very small load will run temps up to that 650+ range regardless of where the air control is. So, it seems like there is no control to an extent.
Also if there is a medium or larger load the secondaries will cause the air deflector at the top of the door to glow a dull red. This is with the draft control shut down all the way. This is the driest wood I've burned in this stove (3 years old) but I typically burn minimum 18 months seasoned wood anyways.

The bills are sliding through with some friction though it doesn't take any effort to pull them through.

I plan on replacing the gaskets in the next day or two regardless.
 
Yeah, I can see why you'd want to have some better regulation. You do know that the air control slide on this stove can come disconnected from the control lever, right? Mine happened during shipping, but you never know. You have postitive resistance and the sound of the air control slide moving, right? Even if so, might be worthwhile to take that plate cover off and see that everything down there is kosher, you know? But if that is not it, looks like leaky gaskets are the culprit. Still, soundsl ike this is not typical fuel for you, which makes me not want to discount that factor all together.

Let us know what happens.
 
My Castine runs the same exact way you describe. Great heat but potential for overfire is always there. I have covered the air intake on multiple occasions this season to slow things down. The secondaries rage unbelievably, even when I've taken the time to back the air down to not let the fire get out of control. I'm in my third year with it as well and this is the first year I've had well-seasoned wood. I'll replace the gaskets before next year, they could probably stand to be replaced, but are not horrible. I see quite a few threads about Castine overfire. Seems they like to run hot. I wish there was a control for the secondary air intake.
 
dvellone said:
Ploughboy, yeah my space is small and those hotter burns make for shorts and tee-shirt conditions in here. But, more concerning is the fact that anything above a very small load will run temps up to that 650+ range regardless of where the air control is. So, it seems like there is no control to an extent.
Also if there is a medium or larger load the secondaries will cause the air deflector at the top of the door to glow a dull red. This is with the draft control shut down all the way. This is the driest wood I've burned in this stove (3 years old) but I typically burn minimum 18 months seasoned wood anyways.

The bills are sliding through with some friction though it doesn't take any effort to pull them through.

I plan on replacing the gaskets in the next day or two regardless.

Go back to 12-18 month old wood, see if that brings the temps down.
 
kestrel said:
My Castine runs the same exact way you describe. Great heat but potential for overfire is always there. I have covered the air intake on multiple occasions this season to slow things down. The secondaries rage unbelievably, even when I've taken the time to back the air down to not let the fire get out of control. I'm in my third year with it as well and this is the first year I've had well-seasoned wood. I'll replace the gaskets before next year, they could probably stand to be replaced, but are not horrible. I see quite a few threads about Castine overfire. Seems they like to run hot. I wish there was a control for the secondary air intake.

I've had to cover the air intake myself twice this season when closing the air control didn't slow things down enough and the deflector was aglow. I'm thinking of installing a damper if this is going to be a regular result of burning wood this dry. I don't need a 700* fire every time I want to load a few splits for a longer burn. I'm replacing the gaskets in a couple days here when the temperatures are supposed to be a bit warmer, so that should answer some questions for me.
 
Hardrockmaple said:
Go back to 12-18 month old wood, see if that brings the temps down.

I'd like to but everything I have right now is either 3 years old or just under a year and three feet of snow.
 
I've got your exact same problem.....except its a totally different stove. I have a smashed pop can lying under the stove that I routinely have to jam into the secondary air inlet to slow it down even though the primary is fully shut down. No air leaks anywhere else in the stove. My guess is changing seals isn't going to help.
 
stoveguy13 said:
may want tocheck the ashpan gasket it would be more likely to creat what you are talking about then the front door
As a castine owner I concur. Even a little gap in the ashpan can/will cause real hot and somewhat shorter burns.
Joe
 
i just posted a similar problem with my Jotul Oslo 500. i'll be following this to if you get any results. good luck
 
The dollar bill test is supposed to show considerable friction on the bill.Just kind of a common sense kinda friction.Now i'm no expert but judging the size gap in the intake when it's shut almost completely down and the size gap in the gasket i can imagine the kind of air pull this stove is drawing when it is getting hardly any air but there is a slight breathing space in a gasket, not to mention 3" to 6" of air space and the stove is shut completely down due to the problem.Hoping to learn something here myself.
 
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