Don't buy Okie Pellets!

Amazing that especially in this bad economy some
folks don't know that it's not cool to sh!t where ya eat!
DOH!

BrotherBart said:

That is absurd. You ain't little!

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X2.... ;-)

No, seriously, sometimes even being angry, people need to THINK before opening their mouth.

all in all the okies did not burn so great in my stove anyways, really hot but a bit too much soot.

I'm guessing many of the non-box store pellet manufacturers are taking it on the chin this year. When you look at the deals Home Depot and Lowes had in place for most of the season, you have to wonder how much of that volume was cannibalized from some of these "Super Premium" pellet manufacturers that were charging $80 - $150 more per ton this year.

I'm standing by what I said a couple of months ago. A lot of us Pellet Pigs did some serious "Pantry Loading" at the end of this season. I'm sure we're not alone. I for one don't need to buy a single bag next year unless we have 150 days straight of sub 20 degree temps. I got a feeling there's going to be an abundance of excess wood pellets next year. I don't have a crystal ball into the wood pellet market, but that's just my opinion. We could see some really low pricing very early next season.

Glosta said:

I'm guessing many of the non-box store pellet manufacturers are taking it on the chin this year. When you look at the deals Home Depot and Lowes had in place for most of the season, you have to wonder how much of that volume was cannibalized from some of these "Super Premium" pellet manufacturers that were charging $80 - $150 more per ton this year.

I'm standing by what I said a couple of months ago. A lot of us Pellet Pigs did some serious "Pantry Loading" at the end of this season. I'm sure we're not alone. I for one don't need to buy a single bag next year unless we have 150 days straight of sub 20 degree temps. I got a feeling there's going to be an abundance of excess wood pellets next year. I don't have a crystal ball into the wood pellet market, but that's just my opinion. We could see some really low pricing very early next season.

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Agreed , i probably am set for 2 years based on this years consumption, The only wrench in the works is big bad oil! And pellets still need the other lumber industries to stay healthy and producing scraps so we will see.
I would imagine prices in spring and summer could be real low.

Why did he call you a hemale?

Doug did send me an email saying he had a load of pellets he wanted to dump real cheap. This was a couple of weeks ago. Thats a very strange way to handle yourself. Of course, he didnt see the prior emails where Craig called him a capitalist pig.

Franks said:

Doug did send me an email saying he had a load of pellets he wanted to dump real cheap. This was a couple of weeks ago. Thats a very strange way to handle yourself. Of course, he didnt see the prior emails where Craig called him a capitalist pig.

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*Disclaimer* I sell Okies

Well, Craig does own the site, so, who posts here and what they say is up to him. I find it unfortunate a contributing manufacturer was shut down, but again, its Craig's right.

As for political differences, well, not everyone agrees, and to say something tantamount to "its MY ball, and we play MY way..." is childish, but, also I dont have to advantage of seeing all of the emails or messages between BTU and Craig, just selectively annotated sections.

As for BTU owing Craig money......its wrong not to pay your bills, but I also submit its wrong to bandy out the information which is between two folks, or companies....usually doesnt help matters.....

Also dont like the provocative, misleading title......lol...c'mon.....

As for selling pellets, Doug (BTU) alsways has done his own sales....nothing new there.....

oh, well, my 2 cents.......

Wow, This saga never ends!

BTU must have heard the same rumor I heard a while back. Something about Brian Wilson from NEWP suggesting to have both Myself and BTU removed from "here". Me for posting bad results and BTU for being compitition. Just a rumor and There is no proof that this happened. But it spread thru the grape vine somehow!

All that junk aside, Like lousy said. Most of this stuff should have been kept off the forums. We get enough drama. Sure wish we could all get along and play nice!

just my 2cents.

well, Jay, just because someone doesnt like the results you posted certainly is no reason to dump you here......I know you entered into your independent study from a pretty unbiased viewpoint, and, the results are what they are, good or bad.

I dont share the same political views as Craig (thats fior sure!), but I'm still here, for the time being. He might not like what I sometimes say, but im still here.....I do admit, I stay out of the Liberal Love section (lol- sorry, Craig), *jab* :cheese:

I think Craig understands that what makes this site what it is (informative), is mainly what the contributors contribute, not their political viewpoints. The contributions range from pricing to stove help to installation help to, dare I say it, input from pellet manufacturers....all very important. There are many folks who come here who have had their issues solved by members of this forum, Craig included, who might never have had the answers from their local stove dealers 9assuming they had a bad dealer)!

As for owing monies.....again, a public forum isnt the place to air this stuff.....but I dont ever recall seeing a Viridis Energy, Cedar Creek, or Okanagan ad here (all current or old BTU enterprises).....and Ive spent considerable time here. Of course, Im old, and might have missed something, and I certainly have no idea what goes on in the back channels of this Hearth.com venture.

LW,

I don't think BTU owes any money to Craig! But what Craig was suggesting "if he charged for BTU's free advertising posts". He could have gotten some cash.

Thats what I got out of it anyway.

j-takeman said:

LW,

I don't think BTU owes any money to Craig! But what Craig was suggesting "if he charged for BTU's free advertising posts". He could have gotten some cash.

Thats what I got out of it anyway.

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ah......I read it as he actually owed him.....we lose inflection and sarcasm in the forum at times! my bad!

To quote someones words in a forum with out allowing them to refute the content or context, strikes me as very unethical. This site has been very helpful to me as i learn the ins and outs of my stove and its personality. But if this is what the site is going to become, I find it less likely that i will continue to visit

Every ones tips have been helpful, and many's full disclosure of the source allowed proper weighting of those tips. Unfortunately, I don't think everyone disclosed who they were.

I am not a dealer, manufacturer, or part of the "grapevine" but I have never seen anyone else on this forum pimping their product as relentlessly as BTU, even the paid advertisers. I am surprised it took this long for him to get banned, I'm sure I saw a few warnings before too. If he spent his time here simply as a helpful contributor he'd still be here and it would have been greet as he had some good info. But thats not who BTU is...

Let me start by saying this is purely a coincidence on the timing. On Friday March 11th We @ BT Enterprises have decided to stop selling Okies Pellets. There were a few reasons why this decision was made. It was not one of our biggest sellers (not even close)! Doug (BTU) always boasted that people would buy his product because it was the best. Well we put that to the test and it failed badly. It turned out to be only 1% of our sales. ACP actually outsold the Okies with a larger profit. Our customers determine what stock we carry by their feedback. BTU (Doug) felt that people would pay any price for what he claims is his superior product no matter how high he priced it. We did not see that in fact our other softwoods did much better. Also we received numerous complaints about the dust factor and that they sometimes smelled like a wet dog.
Bt would like sincerely wish good luck to the remaining suppliers or any new dealers of this product.

We too like BT have stopped selling Okies. Doug told us they are changing the way they do business and you have to go in for 1000 tons minimum. I'm all set with that. Their are many pellets out in the market i dont think there is one main pellet that is better than every other. Every pellet burns different in everyone stove some people only like hardwood and some people only like softwoods.

BT ENT LLC said:

Let me start by saying this is purely a coincidence on the timing. On Friday March 11th We @ BT Enterprises have decided to stop selling Okies Pellets. There were a few reasons why this decision was made. It was not one of our biggest sellers (not even close)! Doug (BTU) always boasted that people would buy his product because it was the best. Well we put that to the test and it failed badly. It turned out to be only 1% of our sales. ACP actually outsold the Okies with a larger profit. Our customers determine what stock we carry by their feedback. BTU (Doug) felt that people would pay any price for what he claims is his superior product no matter how high he priced it. We did not see that in fact our other softwoods did much better. Also we received numerous complaints about the dust factor and that they sometimes smelled like a wet dog.
Bt would like sincerely wish good luck to the remaining suppliers or any new dealers of this product.

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we do sell a fair amount of Okies, and our customers made it that way as well......its not our best-selling pellet, but it ranks right up there.....I'd have to say the same as BT, its our customers who determine what we sell.......why stock items you cant sell? I cant say that Doug has ever told us that customers would pay any price for his product at all, but he has said its a superior product compared to many of the other products currently out there. We can also look at the evidence as provided by Jay T. to support it. Did Okies come out as "the best", as per J? No.....but it was "up there", as compared to most other brands. Will people pay "any price"...er....no.....though I wish I did have some of the magical product that folks WILL pay ANy price for! ;-)

deprayb said:

We too like BT have stopped selling Okies. Doug told us they are changing the way they do business and you have to go in for 1000 tons minimum. I'm all set with that. Their are many pellets out in the market i dont think there is one main pellet that is better than every other. Every pellet burns different in everyone stove some people only like hardwood and some people only like softwoods.

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better change your footer!

I dunno....nothing's really changed on our end, still doing business (with Doug) the same way we did it yeaterday, last week, last month, last year. While personally I do prefer the Okies, and we sell 7 different brands, this is the beauty of buying pellets....a person can go and buy a multitude of brands from different dealers.......dont like one brand? try another! Dont like one dealer? try another!

I think we'll keep the Okies....too popular and too good a quality to ignore it. When they do something we dont like, we will re-evaluate it. Right now, we're ok.

Lousyweather said:

deprayb said:

We too like BT have stopped selling Okies. Doug told us they are changing the way they do business and you have to go in for 1000 tons minimum. I'm all set with that. Their are many pellets out in the market i dont think there is one main pellet that is better than every other. Every pellet burns different in everyone stove some people only like hardwood and some people only like softwoods.

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better change your footer!

I dunno....nothing's really changed on our end, still doing business (with Doug) the same way we did it yeaterday, last week, last month, last year. While personally I do prefer the Okies, and we sell 7 different brands, this is the beauty of buying pellets....a person can go and buy a multitude of brands from different dealers.......dont like one brand? try another! Dont like one dealer? try another!

I think we'll keep the Okies....too popular and too good a quality to ignore it. When they do something we dont like, we will re-evaluate it. Right now, we're ok.

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I agree with Lousy,

We sell alot of Oakies and my customers love them, if they decide they want to try a different brand we have those too. For right now we enjoy working with Doug and Cypress and hope to have a long and prosperous relationship.

mascoma said:

I am not a dealer, manufacturer, or part of the "grapevine" but I have never seen anyone else on this forum pimping their product as relentlessly as BTU, even the paid advertisers. I am surprised it took this long for him to get banned, I'm sure I saw a few warnings before too. If he spent his time here simply as a helpful contributor he'd still be here and it would have been greet as he had some good info. But thats not who BTU is...

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Well said.

Wow Web

Trollin' your own forum!!

I think spring needs to come soon.