It's not your PROPERTY!
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FireAnt
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Fsappo
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What a jackass thing to do and now someone is dead because of it. I really hope this guy gets whats coming to him.
velvetfoot
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Backwoods Savage
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I'm with Franks on this one for sure. Revenge is not good but justice is.
Sad and I hope the family can cope with the loss.
Sad and I hope the family can cope with the loss.
wood-fan-atic
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Sadly, the cutter won't do much time....if any. Even though he had no permission and was on land Not owned by him....there was no 'intent' and he'll probably walk with probation.....maybe 6 months in county, tops.
I wouldn't be so sure about that...wood-fan-atic said:
There was definitely intent to trespass and cut the tree down which resulted in the death of a person.
Not much different than a drunk driver killing somebody. They may not have had the intent of getting in a crash and killing somebody, but they had the intent of driving drunk, which led to the crash and death of another person.
Negligent Homicide just may come into play here...
offroadaudio
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wood-fan-atic said:
You're thinking of people that commit a double murder, or multiple DUI's or with felony drug arrests - that's what they get.
THIS guy will get 10 years!
wood-fan-atic
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Oh,wait...I'm NOT defending the guy.....I'm just saying--- I'm familiar with a few cases where people were trespassing and gotten hurt (not exactly the case here,but similar), and sued and won MILLIONS. If someone gets hurt or killed during the commision of a felony, they are in SERIOUS trouble. In this case, someone was tragically (and accidentally) killed during the act of trespassing...not exactly felony murder,or even involuntary manslaughter. The D.A. will be hard pressed to even get 'depraved indifferance' to get thru a grand jury. I am not in any way advocating his innocence, just the opposite,in fact. I'm suggesting just how difficult it is to hold a knucklehead legally accountable for the irresponsible taking of a life.
woodchip
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Trespass in order to commit theft, cutting down trees in an irresponsible manner.......
If it were here, I would go down the health and safety route, doing something in a dangerous manner likely to cause injury or death would probably get quite a severe sentence.
But nothing any law can do will ever bring back an innocent person who was doing something they loved, on land which was owned and set aside for that use.
If it were here, I would go down the health and safety route, doing something in a dangerous manner likely to cause injury or death would probably get quite a severe sentence.
But nothing any law can do will ever bring back an innocent person who was doing something they loved, on land which was owned and set aside for that use.
offroadaudio
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wood-fan-atic said:
I'm with you - I was being 100% sarcastic, sorry that didn't come through. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to be playful with this subject anyway, it's a horrible situation.
wood-fan-atic
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offroadaudio said:
I hear ya....there can be no winners here. No matter what - an innocent person has died by the irresponsible act of another. I KNOW that if it were my loved one that had been the one killed, I would be calling for blood. But in this very difficult case ....."justice" is subjective.
the guy likely doesn't have any $$ but maybe the family can try to get SOMETHING in civil court, too.
They were calling him a logger on the radio this morning. I wonder if he has a company cutting trees for firewood.
Matt
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k9brain
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At 31 some are still a little immature. He now has to live with the responsibility for the death of an innocent man. And for what...wood? It may have been a reality slap for him and I hope he is regretful. And forgiven.
Black Jaque Janaviac
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Probably like the O.J. case - don't expect justice through the criminal court system, but perhaps a civil suit would bring about justice.
In some ways this can be better because remember that for every guilty guy who walks many, many innocent guys are aquitted.
Personnally, as tragic as this case is, I don't walk out of my house fearing that someone might accidentally fell a tree on me. Ergo I do not need to spend thousands of tax dollars to keep feed these types in prison. It would be better to make him do thousands of hours of community service to the snowmobile trails or something.
Save room in the jails for the sex-offenders. Those are the guys I get concerned about (for the safety of my children).
In some ways this can be better because remember that for every guilty guy who walks many, many innocent guys are aquitted.
Personnally, as tragic as this case is, I don't walk out of my house fearing that someone might accidentally fell a tree on me. Ergo I do not need to spend thousands of tax dollars to keep feed these types in prison. It would be better to make him do thousands of hours of community service to the snowmobile trails or something.
Save room in the jails for the sex-offenders. Those are the guys I get concerned about (for the safety of my children).
velvetfoot
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Adios Pantalones
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velvetfoot said:
Well, 100% now that it happened, but I had a similar response. Met a guy that was hit in the head by a tree that just came down when he was walking (just fell, not cut)- he was brain damaged and had the mentality of maybe a 4-5 yr old. Poor bahstid lost his wife and his whole life was screwed up. There's a reason to take those widowmakers seriously.
wood-fan-atic
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Black Jaque Janaviac said:
+1. I concur. Not much to be accomplished by paying to put this guy up in prison. Lots of community service would be a good solution, I guess. Unless it we're a member of my family that was injured ....then I'd want the guy to rot in prison.
Fsappo
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wood-fan-atic said:
I also agree, but the service must be so lousy and crappy nasty that the next idiot who decides to be an idiot maybe thinks twice. With the amount of criminals still being dirtbags though, it seems we have very little to teach the future ones that crime is bad. Maybe...maybe the penalties we have in place are making sure even more people dont commit crimes.
Just one in hundresd of sad stories a day you can find on this planet. All I can do is be vigilant and pray for the safety of my loved ones.
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