I've never seen it done like this before

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heaterman

Minister of Fire
Oct 16, 2007
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Falmouth, Michigan
We worked on this project off and on throughout the last 8 months as it progressed. One of the topics of discussion that came up with the owner was how to do the underground from the Garn.......literally in the barn, to the house which was over 250' away. The underground would have been directly under the main traffic lane on the farm for almost 3/4 of it's length, in fact, it IS under the main traffic area but in a much different manner than normally encountered.

I swear that this guy is one of the following:

A. one of the most resourceful people I have ever met
B. A true denizen of E-Bay and Craigs List
C. A guy who should be on that hoarders show on TV..........
I'm inclined to go with A and B

He found 250' of 4' diameter steel culvert (have no idea what he paid for it) dug a trench from the barn to the house, knocked a hole in his basement wall on one end and stubbed it into the mechanical room on the other. They ran a double 1" pex line to the house and it seems to do OK even though we measured flow at less than 4gpm. Heat and hot water for a family of 8 (if I counted the kids right) They used standard 1/2" wall foam on the pex lines and wrapped the whole bundle with about 8-9 layers of 1/4" closed cell blanket type stuff. Seems to do just fine.

This is the job I was referring to a couple months ago that had all the radiant floor on it. I'm still having doubts that a single 2000 will keep up with it when he turns on the outdoor holding area. (4,500 sq ft outdoors at probably 60btu's/sq ft minimum) Another 5000 sq ft is heated inside but being a dairy barn, heated means about 35-40* in all areas except the office and break room/bathrooms.

Just goes to show what you can do when you think outside the box. :)
Pictures are from back in January when we only had part of the place up and running. Stuff was "field engineered" together all over the place.
 

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With a 4' culvert pipe, why not just run iron pipe! I should have done that.
 
heaterman said:
He found 250' of 4' diameter steel culvert (have no idea what he paid for it) dug a trench from the barn to the house, knocked a hole in his basement wall on one end and stubbed it into the mechanical room on the other. They ran a double 1" pex line to the house and it seems to do OK even though we measured flow at less than 4gpm.
If you've got the delta-T then you don't need the fat pipe. The beauty of it all in this case is that it wouldn't be the end of the world to upgrade the diameter if it came to that.
Heat and hot water for a family of 8 (if I counted the kids right)
Are you sure there wasn't a couple of them hiding out down in the new steam tunnel?

Just goes to show what you can do when you think outside the box. :)
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... or inside the tube
 
flyingcow said:
I'm impressed. Just curious why 4ft round? Got a good deal on it?

I would assume that it was availability and price. I really have no idea. I talked with him a couple weeks before they had to pour cement over the area where the tube was going and said I could help him come up with a plan. When we went back to the job he had the culvert in and covered up. He asked if I thought that was OK and I just grinned and said "that'll work"!

I do know this......the guy has the best storm shelter in Northern Michigan. It also very suitable for an "end of the world as we know it scenario" and you could store tons of potatoes in there.......
 
I work with that culvert pipe alot in the last 2 years. Mainly the 12-30" hdpe stuff not steel. If you get a piece of 21" or a 24"( trim with chainsaw), they make excellent manhole risers or sump pits. Manhole castings fit nice and snug over top of them.

They make all kinds of fittings for them. Branch saddles, 45,s, 90,s etc.

Honey, I'm going to go downstairs and fire the boiler. Might take a little longer than usual. OHHH! then there's that whole confined space training.
 
Hope he has a way to close off that tunnel. With out it being insulated I bet it could create a draft from the house to the barn or vise versa. It should make it easy to add wiring etc in the future.
Just remembering back in my youth on how I hated to go out in the bad storms to feed the cows and that would have been just the thing. Aheated tunnel from the house to the barn and back. Won't even need a coat. These modern farmers have it just to easy.
I do like how he is thinking though.
leaddog
 
leaddog said:
Just remembering back in my youth on how I hated to go out in the bad storms to feed the cows and that would have been just the thing. Aheated tunnel from the house to the barn and back. Won't even need a coat. These modern farmers have it just to easy.
leaddog

How do the modern farmers get away with not having to go up hill both ways?
 
sdrobertson said:
leaddog said:
Just remembering back in my youth on how I hated to go out in the bad storms to feed the cows and that would have been just the thing. Aheated tunnel from the house to the barn and back. Won't even need a coat. These modern farmers have it just to easy.
leaddog

How do the modern farmers get away with not having to go up hill both ways?

It's tough, but a few manage to get by.

http://farm.ewg.org/
 
ewdudley said:
sdrobertson said:
leaddog said:
Just remembering back in my youth on how I hated to go out in the bad storms to feed the cows and that would have been just the thing. Aheated tunnel from the house to the barn and back. Won't even need a coat. These modern farmers have it just to easy.
leaddog

How do the modern farmers get away with not having to go up hill both ways?

It's tough, but a few manage to get by.

http://farm.ewg.org/

Simply amazing!! It was really crazy to see what some of the locals have been paid to farm.
 
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