T5 primary air control....

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So we have heard alot lately about the T5 primary air control being linked to the secondary air control in some way does anyone have pictures or proof (examined their stove) that this is true? I can't find anything on pe's website or diagrams that confirm this.
 
all the midsize PE's have a rod that links to the primary air control. This rod leads to the fixed 2ndry inlet for the baffle at the bottom/ middle/ rearwall side of the stove. There is a plate on it that cuts back the 2ndry air flow when you cut back the primary.
 
Is the linkage in the parts diagram in the manual, I could not find it.
 
It is curious that the linkage is not shown in the manual, since mine certainly has it. I do believe however that there have been some assembly quality issues with this mechanism as my stove was completely unacceptable as received and I had to fit a damper in the chimney to tame it some. This last season I had to have the stove pipe damper fully closed all the time except when the door was open to reload. I am personally looking to fit 2 independent air controls. The factory has gone to some effort to stop consumers from tampering with the mechanism with a steel box welded over the air intake on the back of the stove that I had to cut off with an abrasive disk on my stove. The plate that is supposed to restrict secondary airflow on my stove fits very badly, hence not restricting airflow much at all and the primary air intake was nearly 1/2" open when in the fully closed position. On top of that there is a 5c coin sized opening on the left front for the air wash, which is open all the time. These stoves are certainly designed for very marginal chimneys and anyone with a tall straight chimney is going to have an overfire problem.
 
I haven't check the diagram to see if it's listed... they are on every super series firebox I've ever seen... they are not on the vista or summits.
 
KeithO said:
It is curious that the linkage is not shown in the manual, since mine certainly has it. I do believe however that there have been some assembly quality issues with this mechanism as my stove was completely unacceptable as received and I had to fit a damper in the chimney to tame it some. This last season I had to have the stove pipe damper fully closed all the time except when the door was open to reload. I am personally looking to fit 2 independent air controls. The factory has gone to some effort to stop consumers from tampering with the mechanism with a steel box welded over the air intake on the back of the stove that I had to cut off with an abrasive disk on my stove. The plate that is supposed to restrict secondary airflow on my stove fits very badly, hence not restricting airflow much at all and the primary air intake was nearly 1/2" open when in the fully closed position. On top of that there is a 5c coin sized opening on the left front for the air wash, which is open all the time. These stoves are certainly designed for very marginal chimneys and anyone with a tall straight chimney is going to have an overfire problem.
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I can relate too the overfire statement. The dealer is supposed to come out and run my super 27 too see whats up with the overfire and short burn times. Im sure its something to do with either really good draft or the intake system. I have heard the whole air leak thing with the door gasket and the typical what type of wood are you burning, how seasoned is it? Which I dont know why one would say that maybe i should burn less seasoned wood lol. We shall see what the dealer has to say...
 
summit said:
all the midsize PE's have a rod that links to the primary air control. This rod leads to the fixed 2ndry inlet for the baffle at the bottom/ middle/ rearwall side of the stove. There is a plate on it that cuts back the 2ndry air flow when you cut back the primary.
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Summit Thanks for clearing that up. Next time I'm at my stove dealer I'm going to look at the air setup up one of the super 27's or the T5 he has sitting there. I figured it was true but everyone has been asking lately so at least we know now. :)
 
gdk84 said:
KeithO said:
It is curious that the linkage is not shown in the manual, since mine certainly has it. I do believe however that there have been some assembly quality issues with this mechanism as my stove was completely unacceptable as received and I had to fit a damper in the chimney to tame it some. This last season I had to have the stove pipe damper fully closed all the time except when the door was open to reload. I am personally looking to fit 2 independent air controls. The factory has gone to some effort to stop consumers from tampering with the mechanism with a steel box welded over the air intake on the back of the stove that I had to cut off with an abrasive disk on my stove. The plate that is supposed to restrict secondary airflow on my stove fits very badly, hence not restricting airflow much at all and the primary air intake was nearly 1/2" open when in the fully closed position. On top of that there is a 5c coin sized opening on the left front for the air wash, which is open all the time. These stoves are certainly designed for very marginal chimneys and anyone with a tall straight chimney is going to have an overfire problem.
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I can relate too the overfire statement. The dealer is supposed to come out and run my super 27 too see whats up with the overfire and short burn times. Im sure its something to do with either really good draft or the intake system. I have heard the whole air leak thing with the door gasket and the typical what type of wood are you burning, how seasoned is it? Which I dont know why one would say that maybe i should burn less seasoned wood lol. We shall see what the dealer has to say...
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Hard to say what is up with your stove but I can say this I have filled my T6 about 2/3 full shut it down at 9:30 and had bunches of coals and a 250° stove top 10.5 hours later so my burn times aren't that short. My chimney drafts like a son of a gun so we will have to see what it is like when it's 0° outside this winter. I have around 23- 27 ft of chimney and only 8 ft of it is double wall and all but about 8ft of it is in the interior of the house.
 
It's a super secret mechanism. They even weld a steel cover over it so the owners won't know how it works.
 
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