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Hi to all. I got myself a 1987 jotul #3 TD stove and installed it in front of my fireplace using a 6" flexible stainless steel liner kit up my existing clay flue. I have had about 6 "test" fires now and everything appears to work fine. I have never had any kind of fireplace or stove in the past so I have almost to many questions to list,but I will try. And I find that the local fireplace shops are not all that willing to help so I will ask them here.

1. what is the ideal temp to run my stove at and where should I measure the temp as it varies on different surfaces of the stove?

2. How much pine is safe with yearly cleanings?

3. How much air intake should this stove have? (I have found it will run at a smolder or a blaze,,witch is best)???

4. My home is only 800 square feet and on my test fires with all windows closed the temp goes to 85+ witch is way to hot for me,,what is the best way to regulate this? windows,fans,or adjusting the stove itself?

5. What is the best way to keep the glass clean?

6. How often do most sweep my type of liner? What does creasote look like???
 
Welcome to the forum.
Good questions
Great place to ask them. Lots of experience on this site & a very helpful bunch.

1, I don't know but some one with your stove will probably chime in.
2, If it's dry, you can burn 100% pine. Some on here only have pine as their choice.
3 Again someone will chime in but I regulate my stove due to outside & house temps.
4 adjust the stove, burn smaller fires, use bigger DRY splits.
5, My glass varies from dirty to clean, burning hot, it's clean, burning real low dirty, Dry wood helps it stay cleaner too.
6, Inspect it frequently (monthly at first) as you learn to burn. I now sweep mine mid season & end of the season. Creosote looks like coal & usually the worst is near the top of the stack or on the cap.
Burn dry wood & you'll have less creosote problems. The hotter you burn the less creosote build up you'll have. Did I mention dry wood is the biggest help to less creosote? Well
I'll mention it, some others may too.
Dry, well seasoned wood is one of the best ways to reduce creosote build up. :)
Most wood if stored off the ground & good air circulation, a year + after Cut Split & Stacked (C/S/S) Oak 2 years + ;: depending on split size & drying conditions.
(this means your wood for this coming winter should be C/S/S already)
 
I also ordered a moisture meeter what % moisture is said to be "dry" ?? I do not know what "seasoned" wood looks like,just guessing at this point :)
 
spam said:
Hi to all. I got myself a 1987 jotul #3 TD stove and installed it in front of my fireplace using a 6" flexible stainless steel liner kit up my existing clay flue. I have had about 6 "test" fires now and everything appears to work fine. I have never had any kind of fireplace or stove in the past so I have almost to many questions to list,but I will try. And I find that the local fireplace shops are not all that willing to help so I will ask them here. Welcome to the forum.

1. what is the ideal temp to run my stove at and where should I measure the temp as it varies on different surfaces of the stove? I'm not familiar with your stove so I can't get you a set of temps that are good for your own stove . . . or to tell where you should place a stove thermometer. You might want to see if the Jotul website has a copy of the stove manual on line . . . this may tell you the specific temps and location of thermometers.

2. How much pine is safe with yearly cleanings? Well . . . mixed answer here . . . if this is your first time burning wood I would at least check your chimney every month regardless of what type of wood you burn . . . once folks get a good handle on how to run their stove and have a good source of seasoned wood they tend to clean their chimney 1-3 times during the burning season . . . me . . . I can easily clean my chimney so I tend to do it monthly . . . although I have slacked off in the past couple of months since I am now only burning occasionally. As for pine . . . as long as it is properly seasoned you can burn as much in your woodstove as you want . . . it just tends to burn up quicker than say maple, elm, beech, oak, etc. . . . the key is to make sure the pine is properly seasoned (i.e. has been cut, split and stacked for a long enough time to dry out the moisture.)

3. How much air intake should this stove have? (I have found it will run at a smolder or a blaze,,witch is best)??? No set answer here . . . but in general more air = a more intense fire . . . but a good portion of the heat is going right up the chimney with the draft. Less air = less draft which means more heat is radiated out to the room. Cutting back the air is very important for EPA stoves with secondary burners . . . however, there is a fine line between burning cleanly and efficiently and having a smoldering fire which may produce some heat, but is also gunking up your chimney and not burning efficiently.

4. My home is only 800 square feet and on my test fires with all windows closed the temp goes to 85+ witch is way to hot for me,,what is the best way to regulate this? windows,fans,or adjusting the stove itself? Well if the test fires are being done right now it's hard to gauge whether your stove is too large or not for your own home . . . at least not knowing what size home this stove is rated for. Many folks buy a woodstove and just assume that it's a woodstove and it will heat their home. You really need to size a woodstove to the size of your home, insulation, climate, house layout, etc. in order to get a woodstove that does not either drive you out of the house from too much heat or you end up with a woodstove that struggles to warm up the house since it is too small. Right now it is very easy to have way too much heat from any woodstove since the temp outside is generally not that bad . . . chilly, but not cold on most days . . . even here in Maine. You can help move the air out of the room with the stove by the way and circulate it to other places in the house by having a fan (regular old desk top fan) in an adjoining doorway pointing towards the woodstove.

5. What is the best way to keep the glass clean? Short answer: Assuming this woodstove has an air wash system to keep the glass clear . . . burn at the proper (hot enough) temps, burn seasoned wood and don't cause the fire to smolder. Long answer: Well, I guess there really isn't a long answer . . . except to say that most newbies who have the glass gunk up are either not burning hot enough, are burning unseasoned wood or are turning down the air too much and causing the fire to smolder . . . having a split rest up against the glass can also cause some gunk on the glass. You can buy commercial cleaners for the woodstove glass or simply clean it with damp newspaper . . . if the gunk is pretty bad you can dip the damp newspaper into some of the fine ash . . . or just wait and on your next hot fire the gunk may burn itself off.

6. How often do most sweep my type of liner? What does creasote look like??? As mentioned previously . . . I check and sweep my chimney every month . . . but I think I'm a bit unusual. I do the sweep since a) it is literally a 10-minute job for me and b) if I ever had a chimney fire I would never hear the end of it from my co-workers. Most folks tend to sweep the chimney 1-3 times a year . . . after they've got some experience running the stove and know their wood is good. Newbies are encouraged to inspect every 1-2 months and sweep when there is a build up of 1/4 inch or so. Creosote may be light and fluffy like gray or white ash, it could look like burned popcorn or cornflakes or burned stuffing . . . it could be dry, tarry and sticky or glassy . . . Dry is not so bad, sticky and tarry is not so good and glassy is very bad.
 
Congrats on the new stove. Priority 1 is going to be having your wood dry in time for this season. I hope you have it on hand already, if not get it now and your life will be a lot easier, safer, and your burning experience much more pleasurable.

This link takes you to a thread which is a sticky on the top of the hearth page titled "Start Here" If you take a little bit and cruise through some of the links provided it will help with a bunch of your questions. https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/65174/

Welcome aboard,

pen
 
Cut wood in the winter months if possible.

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We stack ours and do the splitting in the spring.

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Stack the wood. Do not cover it until the following fall or winter. We cover just before snow flies. Also be sure to cover only the top of the stacks. Put something under the stacks to keep the wood from touching the ground. If you need to have the wood dry as fast as possible, then stack in single rows and stack so the wind hits the side of the stack. Wind is more important than sun but it is nice if you have both. Also be aware that different types of wood will take different amounts of time to dry. Ideal moisture is 20% or less. However, I have never owned a moisture meter not do I plan on purchasing one. If you get your wood ahead of time you won't have to wonder how dry your wood is and you won't have creosote problems either.

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We like to leave the wood in the stack for 2 years minimum but have left it as long as 8 years.

If you do like this, you won't have to worry about creosote problems.
 
My advice is to get your wood split and stacked in a nice sunny, windy spot ASAP. Any wood, pine, spruce, whatever, will burn fine and not create exces creosote if it is seasoned and if you burn hot enough. If you have wood split and stacked properly (properly means stacked off the ground in a manner that lets air flow past the wood) then seasoned wood means at least one year, and preferably two year old wood.

I think smouldering the stove will create creosote and blacken the glass. I'd try to find a balance that allows you to burn hot fires but not force you to open all the windows in the winter. If you cannot adjust the fire anywhere between 'smoulder' and 'hades' then perhaps the air control is broken.
 
The F3TD has airwash but not "clean burn technology". Apparently no ash grate/pan? (that could be good).

Here is the link to the Jotul website listing the F3TD. It looks like the TD is still sold in the UK but unfortunately the manuals they have available there are in another language...you might be able to babblefish it.
http://www.jotul.com/en-GB/wwwjotulukcom/Main-Menu/Products/Wood--Multi-fuel/Stoves/Jotul-F-3-TD/

Here is one link that I found...
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Jotul-F3-woodburning-stove.html

List of some parts and an exploded diagram...
http://www.stovespares.co.uk/jotul-f3td-woodburning-stove-spare-parts.html

This site has list of options for the TD...
http://www.woodburningstovesco.co.u...?PHPSESSID=tq6v3rkq809bmimue9b1rlfsg0&model=7

Best wishes,
Ed
 
spam said:
I also ordered a moisture meeter what % moisture is said to be "dry" ?? I do not know what "seasoned" wood looks like,just guessing at this point :)
Welcome, spam!
I've heard dry wood described as "surprisingly light." I've been burning wood for years, but got "dry-wood religion" when I started reading these forums about 6 months ago. My aim is to cut a lot of Ash (medium-high BTU) and some Black Locust (high BTU,) which should be pretty dry by this Winter. Most of the Oak that I cut will be for the 2012 season, except for dry upper branches of the dead Oaks that I harvest. Pine (low BTU) is supposed to dry fairly quickly, as are Cherry (medium BTU) and Poplar (Low BTU.) Split your wood small if you need it to dry faster.

I picked up a cheap moisture meter to help me evaluate weather the wood I cut will be good for burning this year. Conventional wisdom says the 20% moisture content is seasoned wood, but I've read here that the cheap moisture meters may have varying accuracy. I burned some wood that tested at 20% on my meter, but it still hissed like a POed cat. Wood that tested 15% on my meter didn't hiss, so that's what I'll be shooting for. To test, split a piece and test on the freshly exposed wood.
Burning wet wood is a pain in the butt. It's hard to start, and you won't get much heat out of it since the heat is used to evaporate the moisture in the wood...moisture which then gunks up your flue.

Get some good wood lined up, and you'll be enjoying some quality warmth this Winter! :coolsmile:
 
Welcome to the forum.

Doing a quick search on your stove, I think I have found a bit of an answer to your heat issue- althought he Jotul website did not give me any information, searching through hearth.com I came across a post stating your stove is rated for 1200 square feet- this may be the reason for your 85 degree temps (although there are some people in these forums that will ask you "Why are you complaining?" :) ) It may just be a case of too much stove for the little space.

I would follow the suggestions posted earlier- smaller fires, try to move the heat around, and there is no shame in opening the windows if it gets too hot. Some might think you are just showing off! Good luck as you go forward. Cut your wood, get it stacked, and watch the beautiful drying cracks forming in the splits as you get closer and closer to burning season......
 
I think what Jake mentioned above for question #4 regarding overheating your house is right on target...it's too warm outside to be gauging how the stove is going to perform. Once the temperatures drop to winter temperatures I think you'll be happy with the "overheating". I just checked current Rhode Island weather and looks like ya'll are in for some wet weather!!!

Take care and best wishes,
Ed
 
what about burning semi-rotted wood or wood that has sawdust filled bug holes it it? I was given a giant load of wood that has a little bit of both but otherwise dry and seasoned . A friend of mine said that some old timers look for buggy wood?
 
The punky-buggy wood will burn, just not as long as solid wood. Some of the potential energy in it has already been released. Even the bugs will burn if properly seasoned.
I would advise to keep reading the posts on here to learn as much as possible the easy way. Do searches for specific info when necessary. It would have taken years of burning and many costly mistakes to learn a fraction of what I have learned here. Many helpful and experienced people on this site. Good Luck with your new heat source and prepare to actually be warm next winter.
 
spam said:
what about burning semi-rotted wood or wood that has sawdust filled bug holes it it? I was given a giant load of wood that has a little bit of both but otherwise dry and seasoned . A friend of mine said that some old timers look for buggy wood?

Semi rotted? Must be real old "old timers" before chain saws :) . I don't look for it. Semi rotted is hard to dry, split & messy to work with, but it'll burn.
But have burned it, it was what I had. OK for shoulder season where you just need a fire in the AM, ( lots of the BTU value has rotted away)
to take the chill off, but look for it or go out of the way to get it. Not me.
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Bug holes & saw dust might mean it's good & dry & if it's solid, it's good wood. (just had/has bugs)
The more solid, the better & longer it burns, with more heat value.
Someone here said "It's all BTUs".
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Remember, 1 pound of dry balsa wood has the same BTU value as equally dry 1 pound of oak.
The balsa wood might be 20 times the size as the oak per pound,
but BTU's are equal. (the more dense the wood, more BTUs per cord )

Note the BTU & weight per cord on this chart (compare locust & sugar pine) Same volume, but big BTU & weight difference
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/home/heating_cooling/firewood.html
 
spam said:
what about burning semi-rotted wood or wood that has sawdust filled bug holes it it? I was given a giant load of wood that has a little bit of both but otherwise dry and seasoned . A friend of mine said that some old timers look for buggy wood?
Some of the Red Oak that I cut has those tiny bug holes in it. I figure that more air passing through the wood has got to help it dry faster, right? :lol:
How "giant" is this load? A cord is 4x4x8 feet. With 800 sq.ft. to heat, it sounds like you may be set for the year? If so, great. You can start processing quality, non-punky wood for the '12 season. :)
 
spam said:
what about burning semi-rotted wood or wood that has sawdust filled bug holes it it? I was given a giant load of wood that has a little bit of both but otherwise dry and seasoned . A friend of mine said that some old timers look for buggy wood?

Sounds like you have punky wood . . . if it is dry it will burn . . . but not the best stuff . . . good for this time of year to take the chill out of a damp morning or in the Fall, but I wouldn't want to rely on this wood for the winter -- it will burn up too quickly . . . also, make sure you don't get this punky wood wet . . . it will soak up the water like a sponge.
 
Hi Spam. Welcome!

Dry wood, dry wood, dry wood! Especially with an older stove like yours, and given your type of installation, make sure your wood is as dry as possible.

Once a year is a minimum for sweeping. With your style of installation I would recommend checking it every month and cleaning often. What you have we now refer to as a Direct Connect installation and they tend to be very dirty and also difficult to properly clean because they must be taken apart beforehand. To make things easier and a bit cleaner for your system you may want to consider a tightly sealed block off plate to keep the cold air out of the flue.
 
i burned a lot of "punk" wood my first season. now i am more picky, and have a large pile set aside for 2011 and 2012.
if it ignites, dont sweat it about burning it. just dont store it inside or anywhere warm that you would not want bugs or ants. i bring the punk wood inside in a rubber maid, toss onto the stove, and take any extra pieces back outside.
the heat will wake up any bugs inside the wood, and some of them can damage your house.
 
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