High Effeciency Fireplaces

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sumpnz

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May 16, 2011
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Skagit County, WA
So, about a year ago my wife and I bought close to 5 acres in NW Washington State. It has lots of alder and maple with the occasional birch, fir, and cedar trees. The area was formerlly owned, I believe, by Sierra Pacific or a similar timber company. In course of the last year between dead fall, standing dead wood that we cut down, and a few problem trees that we took out I now have something on the order of 4 cords (I took a tape measure to it when it a touch under 2 cords) of cut, split and stacked wood. Plus I gave another 2-3 cords worth of logs to my FIL. And nothing (other than a camp-fire pit in the backyard) to burn it in.

I have 2 propane fireplaces in my house. Neither of them are all that great, but I really want to replace the one in the family room with a wood burning appliance. If it were just up to me I'd put in a free-standing wood stove with heat shields for reducing clearances. But SWMBO says no. She doesn't like the look of them. So I looked into inserts, but discovered that it would be prohibitively expensive to modify the bumpout where the gas fireplace is now to accept one.

Fearing my quest for wood heat was nearing an end I stopped into a wood stove dealer and discovered the high effeciency zero clearance fireplaces. A-ha! A plug-n-play wood stove that I can put in with relatively minimal modifications and still get the high effeciency heat of a stove or insert. With the potential for asthetics that SWMBO will approve of.

A few details about the house. If I miss any important ones just say so and I'll fill in the blanks. 2006 construction, and very well insulated. Fairly open floor plan. 3 bedrooms with the master on the opposite end from the rest of the bedrooms. Crawl space underneath that my wife's family can stand up in (they're shorter than average). Approx 2500sf plus a 350sf or so bonus room upstairs that's mostly a play room for the kids. We have a heat pump that, when it's not broken down (thank the Lord we have an HVAC repariman in the family - the things been tempermental since we bought the house) heats the house quite effectively. The existing gas fireplace is in the living room on an interior wall and has it's exhaust pipe going straight up through roof. It sits in a bumpout that's 24" deep, and the opening is 35.5" wide and 34" tall. It has a stone surround.

The wood heat appliance would be used for supplimental heat and ambiance. If I could essentially turn the heat pump off for most of the winter that would be great but not a requirement. Main reason to get it is simply becuase I want it. I realize it would take more years to recoup the cost than could be used to justify it from a utility bill savings perspective. Even with the essentially free wood.

What I'm trying to figure out is what my options are. My wife likes the look of the Quadrafire 7100 and Fireplace Xtrodinare 36. However I'm thinking that those would be overkill from a heat standpoint not to mention cost. The less expensive models that are, I think, closer in size to what would most appropriate (e.g. RSF Onyx) are not something my wife will want to spend any money on. WHat she really doesn't like is the look of louvers. I thought about something like the RSF Opel with the "Clean Face" option, but that requires the "Gravity Ducts" which would probably bring the cost up close enought the Xtrordinair 36.

So, bottom line is I want to know if there's something with the asthetics of the Quadrafire 7100/Fireplace Xtrordinair 36, but at a size/price closer to the smaller (2.5-3 cu ft firebox) options.

I'd like to keep the total cost of the project to $3500 (fireplace, stovepipe (assume 25'), pro-installation, all in). If it has to go higher that'll mean that it'll be that much longer until I do the project. I figure that any money I recoup from selling the existing gas fireplace and exhaust pipe will cover the most of the cost of any reframing of the current opening and redoing the stone surround (I'm assuming at this point that we can reuse most/all of the stone and find new ones to match - possibly a dangerous assumption I know).
 
Enerzone 2.5 ZC is a stove we sell on the east coast which has a great look and is in the size your looking for. I;ve sold dozens of them and they always end up making for happy customers. Here is a dealer near you:
HANDY'S HEATING

17737 STATE ROUTE 536
MOUNT VERNON
Washington, United States
98273

Tel.: (360) 428-0969
 
FPX 44! Can't beat a 4.3 cubic ft. firebox! I would reccomend the 44 over the 36, mainly because the 44 is rated to 3,000 sq. ft., while the 36 is only rated to 2,500 sq. ft. It is generally reccomended to go with a unit rated for slightly more square footage than what you're actually heating. The FPX's have great looks, & the members here on the forum here that have them seem very satisfied with them. If you want something a bit smaller than an FPX, I'd reccomend looking at the Heat N' Glo North Star.
 
I would prefer freestanding, especially considering there is already another gas fireplace in the house. Take her over to the Chimney Sweep on Harris Ave in Bellingham and have her talk with Tom's wife Ginny. They have some nice display units that that may persuade her once she gets to see them close up. They also sell the affordable BIS Tradition unit for comparison.
http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/bistradce.htm
 
I seriously doubt a free standing stove of any style would over all that well. She a woman, plus she's pregnant (our third), so arguing won't get me very far. I'm just happy that she's OK with a HE fireplace as before she didn't want to spend the money on anything. Then we got a $600 electric bill.

Aren't the BIS and Lennox the same fireplaces? Aren't Lennox also a bit less expensive?

4+ cu.ft firebox is, I think, simply overkill. I don't want to get driven out of the room it's in. 2.5-3.0 cu.ft seems to be about the butter zone. I could do 3.5 cu.ft if that was what it took to find one with the looks my wife would approve of. More than that though and the BTU's just seem too high for the application. Most 3 cu.ft ones are rated for over 2000sq.ft which would be plenty.

I've driven by Handy's heating many times. Just never had time to stop in. I'll have to make a point of that soon.

More input is always appreciated.
 
Have you checked prices on what people want to install these things? YOu may have a tough time to keep the total cost to $3500, when I did mine, they wanted $7k to do the install, not including the cost of the fireplace, and that was with me ripping out the old builder special unit (I ended up installing myself). Most of these units cost in the 3-5k range by themselves. I just saying, you may want to rethink your numbers.
I put a Heatnglo northstar in my house, same company and same basic stove as the quadrafire 7100, slightly smaller firebox, less $$$, great heater, heats my whole 2500sqft 28' ceiling home. You do have to have the fan on all the time if you want it to heat though...
 
The one shop that I did stop at said that install would be $600 (I'm assuming that price was if we bought from them as well). I can't figure out how any install could cost $7000. There's just not THAT much work involved.

I did find a place online that I could get a fireplace with all the stovepipe, fittings, etc delivered for around $2900. It was a bit smaller of a fireplace than I'd prefer (IIRC it was 2.0cu.ft), and it had the louvers my wife doesn't care for, but that was about where I hoping to fall in terms of price. So with a $600 install that would be $3500. I could live with the smaller size if I could get the aesthetics that would please my wife.
 
It's hard to imagine any install being $6-700, unless it is a rough install with no framing, etc. - that is, setting the unit in place and running the chimney up through one roof.

Make sure you get an accurate price including building it in, finishing the walls, hearth, etc.
This would normally be in the thousands, because it is a building/remodeling project which requires quite a bit of time and a number of trips back to your house.
 
To clarify the $7k proposal I got, in my install, the existing chase had to be insulated and lined with type X drywall, 28' of chase, it included a new $900 2"thick custom slate hearth extension, set atop a new raised hearth extension base insulated with the proper materials (micore in my case) to meet the r/k values required by the codes and unit specification, re-setting the existing mantel at a higher height (again, to meet code) and installing new stone work around the unit face.
So, it was for a finished installation.
Setting the unit and assembling the chimney was the easy part!
 
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