Alderlea T-5 ballpark price

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raybonz

raybonz

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Feb 5, 2008
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Been researching stoves and the Alderlea T-5 will be a contender and I was wondering the ballpark for the T-5.. I did call Woodstock yesterday and the new stove is being tested for certification so it's not available yet.. The T-5 seems like a well built long lasting low maintenance stove from what I can tell plus it is convection to boot.. I feel this size would work here as my CDW large convection has trouble keeping up when it gets real cold here.. Any info is appreciated!

Thanx,
Ray
 
The T5 is about $2200, before the 10% tax credit. The T6 is ~$2500 and is what I would be looking at if the Large DW was having trouble with cold temps.
 
BeGreen said:
The T5 is about $2200, before the 10% tax credit. The T6 is ~$2500 and is what I would be looking at if the Large DW was having trouble with cold temps.
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BeGreen I would be interested to know what the sq ft is on Ray's house as well as if the stove is centrally located on the main floor or in a basement.
I will say this I had the Dutchwest XL and it doesn't even come close to the heat output the T6 is capable of (which I am happy about). I know specs are like......But if you look at them the burn rate on the PE T5 is 72,000btu's and the Dutchwest Large is 40,000 btu's. so you are gaining about 32,000 btu's. I know there are a lot of factors but I guess I'm just thinking of how much better the T6 is at heating our house compared to the Dutchwest XL ,in fact it's almost not even a fair comparison.
 
I agree. For the price difference if you want a good bump up from the CDW I'd go with the T6. Thats a lot of stove for not so much money.
 
certified106 said:
BeGreen said:
The T5 is about $2200, before the 10% tax credit. The T6 is ~$2500 and is what I would be looking at if the Large DW was having trouble with cold temps.
Click to expand...

BeGreen I would be interested to know what the sq ft is on Ray's house as well as if the stove is centrally located on the main floor or in a basement.
I will say this I had the Dutchwest XL and it doesn't even come close to the heat output the T6 is capable of (which I am happy about). I know specs are like......But if you look at them the burn rate on the PE T5 is 72,000btu's and the Dutchwest Large is 40,000 btu's. so you are gaining about 32,000 btu's. I know there are a lot of factors but I guess I'm just thinking of how much better the T6 is at heating our house compared to the Dutchwest XL ,in fact it's almost not even a fair comparison.
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I was thinking about your place. Ray needs some reserves. The T5 might do it, but I suspect he would be pushing it hard when the temps got to the single digits. In this case, I would want some reserves.

72,000 btus is the maximum output for the T5. Normal running I would expect it to be more in the 40,000btu range. It is listed at 34K for the EPA test.
 
certified106 said:
BeGreen said:
The T5 is about $2200, before the 10% tax credit. The T6 is ~$2500 and is what I would be looking at if the Large DW was having trouble with cold temps.
Click to expand...

BeGreen I would be interested to know what the sq ft is on Ray's house as well as if the stove is centrally located on the main floor or in a basement.
I will say this I had the Dutchwest XL and it doesn't even come close to the heat output the T6 is capable of (which I am happy about). I know specs are like......But if you look at them the burn rate on the PE T5 is 72,000btu's and the Dutchwest Large is 40,000 btu's. so you are gaining about 32,000 btu's. I know there are a lot of factors but I guess I'm just thinking of how much better the T6 is at heating our house compared to the Dutchwest XL ,in fact it's almost not even a fair comparison.
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My house is 1632 sq. ft. however the downstairs walls are log and r-11 at best plus I have 18 dbl hung Andersen windows that measure about 3'x5'.. Even the best windows are poor insulators so I thought the T-5 which is rated at 2000 sq. ft. with a blower would work well here.. Remember my DW is very old and really is best run with a low to med. fire.. I don't want a stove so hot that it would run us out of the house..

Ray
 
Franks said:
I agree. For the price difference if you want a good bump up from the CDW I'd go with the T6. Thats a lot of stove for not so much money.
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I haven't seen any prices posted so I don't know what we're talking about here.. I am also afraid if the stove is too big I will burn dirty trying to keep the heat output down especially in milder weather...

Ray
 
We're running the T6 in a house with about 370 more sq ft in a much milder climate. Our house also has too much glass. Both stoves will work, but I don't think the T6 will overwhelm the house. It runs well on 3-4 log loads during milder weather. Prolly not as clean as a cat though. 35-45F we are running 3-5 log loads. When it's below freezing we are running full loads on the stove and the 15 x 16 living room it is in does not get above about 74F. But when it got down to the low 20s last winter I switched to hardwood and that is where the beauty really performed. As the temps dropped to the low teens we were soooo happy to have that reserve horsepower on hand. And for the first time I could wake up at a normal hour to a warm house and stove.
 
BeGreen said:
We're running the T6 in a house with about 370 more sq ft in a much milder climate. Our house also has too much glass. Both stoves will work, but I don't think the T6 will overwhelm the house. It runs well on 3-4 log loads during milder weather. Prolly not as clean as a cat though. 35-45F we are running 3-5 log loads. When it's below freezing we are running full loads on the stove and the 15 x 16 living room it is in does not get above about 74F. But when it got down to the low 20s last winter I switched to hardwood and that is where the beauty really performed. As the temps dropped to the low teens we were soooo happy to have that reserve horsepower on hand. And for the first time I could wake up at a normal hour to a warm house and stove.
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All I burn here is hardwood mainly oak, maple, locust and cherry.. The stove is in the livingroom with an inside chimney on an outside wall.. The heat goes up the stairs with the help of a stove blower and it's fairly uniform temps throughout the house.. Once I hear what prices to expect that will help too.. How long of a burn do you achieve burning a load of hardwood and are you burning clean?

Ray
 
BeGreen said:
certified106 said:
BeGreen said:
The T5 is about $2200, before the 10% tax credit. The T6 is ~$2500 and is what I would be looking at if the Large DW was having trouble with cold temps.
Click to expand...

BeGreen I would be interested to know what the sq ft is on Ray's house as well as if the stove is centrally located on the main floor or in a basement.
I will say this I had the Dutchwest XL and it doesn't even come close to the heat output the T6 is capable of (which I am happy about). I know specs are like......But if you look at them the burn rate on the PE T5 is 72,000btu's and the Dutchwest Large is 40,000 btu's. so you are gaining about 32,000 btu's. I know there are a lot of factors but I guess I'm just thinking of how much better the T6 is at heating our house compared to the Dutchwest XL ,in fact it's almost not even a fair comparison.
Click to expand...

I was thinking about your place. Ray needs some reserves. The T5 might do it, but I suspect he would be pushing it hard when the temps got to the single digits. In this case, I would want some reserves.

72,000 btus is the maximum output for the T5. Normal running I would expect it to be more in the 40,000btu range. It is listed at 34K for the EPA test.
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You may be right on the whole btu thing. I always did wonder how the epa btus were calculated.
 
Dag - Gone!

Good thing I didn't buy the Dutchwest, Raybonz and Certified are bailing out on theirs and I'd be the only one on Hearth.com plugging the dutchwest stoves - LOL!!!!

Hard to say which stove to get, the T5 or T6. I know that my Keystone is rated for something like 800 to 1300 sq ft, but with my highly drafty house, the Keystone is at it's limit.

Here is a link to the T5 pricing and from there you can price the T6 to get an idea of cost: http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/pacaldert5.htm

On the other hand, you could find a closeout home depot Englander 30 for $649 and free shipping to your door......... ;)

Good luck!
Bill
 
raybonz said:
BeGreen said:
We're running the T6 in a house with about 370 more sq ft in a much milder climate. Our house also has too much glass. Both stoves will work, but I don't think the T6 will overwhelm the house. It runs well on 3-4 log loads during milder weather. Prolly not as clean as a cat though. 35-45F we are running 3-5 log loads. When it's below freezing we are running full loads on the stove and the 15 x 16 living room it is in does not get above about 74F. But when it got down to the low 20s last winter I switched to hardwood and that is where the beauty really performed. As the temps dropped to the low teens we were soooo happy to have that reserve horsepower on hand. And for the first time I could wake up at a normal hour to a warm house and stove.
Click to expand...

All I burn here is hardwood mainly oak, maple, locust and cherry.. The stove is in the livingroom with an inside chimney on an outside wall.. The heat goes up the stairs with the help of a stove blower and it's fairly uniform temps throughout the house.. Once I hear what prices to expect that will help too.. How long of a burn do you achieve burning a load of hardwood and are you burning clean?

Ray
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Ray, to give you an idea of burn times and burning clean I have been getting home from work lately around 4pm and starting a three or four split fire that starter fire then around 8-9 I throw 3-4 more splits on the fire and it easily lasts until 6 am with enough coals to restart, which I haven't been doing since I haven't needed the heat during the day. I have no problem burning clean with no smoke out of the chimney even with 3-4 split fires. I usually have secondaries starting about 15 minutes into a cold start. I will add that my wood is extremly dry which helps. I have only packed the fire box a couple of times since owning it and had quite a big bed of coals and orange chunks the following morning. I would say i can easily do 10 hours and could probably stretch it to 12 on a fully packed fire box. Wouldn't be putting out hardly any heat at 12 and I would probably say its just carrying coals at that point.
 
leeave96 said:
Dag - Gone!

Good thing I didn't buy the Dutchwest, Raybonz and Certified are bailing out on theirs and I'd be the only one on Hearth.com plugging the dutchwest stoves - LOL!!!!

Hard to say which stove to get, the T5 or T6. I know that my Keystone is rated for something like 800 to 1300 sq ft, but with my highly drafty house, the Keystone is at it's limit.

Here is a link to the T5 pricing and from there you can price the T6 to get an idea of cost: http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/pacaldert5.htm

On the other hand, you could find a closeout home depot Englander 30 for $649 and free shipping to your door......... ;)

Good luck!
Bill
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Haha cracked me up when I read tor post. I am not trying to rag on the dutchwest at all and it reliably heated my house and my parents house for years however it did have its drawbacks like no top end, combustor hanging in the middle of the fire box, and doesn't heat well without the fan. That being said I did like the very low burning in the fall and spring. I guess. I am just getting used to the new stove and like how its working out so far. I did have hesitations as to how well and how clean the T6 would heat in spring and fall but I have found the stove to do great on three split fires.
 
I almost forgot, there is a 10% tax credit on wood stoves this year - I assume the Alderlea stoves qualify for it, but that may help with your buying decision as far as $$$'s are concerned.

Thanks!
Bill
 
leeave96 said:
Dag - Gone!

Good thing I didn't buy the Dutchwest, Raybonz and Certified are bailing out on theirs and I'd be the only one on Hearth.com plugging the dutchwest stoves - LOL!!!!

Hard to say which stove to get, the T5 or T6. I know that my Keystone is rated for something like 800 to 1300 sq ft, but with my highly drafty house, the Keystone is at it's limit.

Here is a link to the T5 pricing and from there you can price the T6 to get an idea of cost: http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/pacaldert5.htm

On the other hand, you could find a closeout home depot Englander 30 for $649 and free shipping to your door......... ;)

Good luck!
Bill
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Bill,
I am not bailing out it's just that my stove is approaching 25 yrs. and some parts are not available anymore.. I am considering my options and the T-5 or 6 seem like good options and for that matter Lopi makes a convection stove as well.. I like the looks of the Alderlea's and also the steel firebox inside a cast iron stove.. This gives the best of both worlds in looks and durability.. I like the Woodstock's too but they aren't convection and my wife is not keen on the looks (I think they look fine) and I would like to see the new one and not a CAD 3D model ... Lopi does make a nice looking cast iron stove (Leydon) but I think the price will be in the stratosphere.. The Englander scores high on value and heat output but isn't the look I want here.. When you open my front door the 1st thing you see is the stove so it has to look good.. This is gonna be a hard decision to make.. I know one thing I want a stove I don't have to repair and goes on for years without complaining.. I like the features of the Blaze King but the looks leave a lot to be desired.. The VC line looks great but the refractory deal scares the hell out of me.. Now if I could just win a Woodstock I'd get the new model and the search would be over lol...

Ray
 
certified106 said:
raybonz said:
BeGreen said:
We're running the T6 in a house with about 370 more sq ft in a much milder climate. Our house also has too much glass. Both stoves will work, but I don't think the T6 will overwhelm the house. It runs well on 3-4 log loads during milder weather. Prolly not as clean as a cat though. 35-45F we are running 3-5 log loads. When it's below freezing we are running full loads on the stove and the 15 x 16 living room it is in does not get above about 74F. But when it got down to the low 20s last winter I switched to hardwood and that is where the beauty really performed. As the temps dropped to the low teens we were soooo happy to have that reserve horsepower on hand. And for the first time I could wake up at a normal hour to a warm house and stove.
Click to expand...

All I burn here is hardwood mainly oak, maple, locust and cherry.. The stove is in the livingroom with an inside chimney on an outside wall.. The heat goes up the stairs with the help of a stove blower and it's fairly uniform temps throughout the house.. Once I hear what prices to expect that will help too.. How long of a burn do you achieve burning a load of hardwood and are you burning clean?

Ray
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Ray, to give you an idea of burn times and burning clean I have been getting home from work lately around 4pm and starting a three or four split fire that starter fire then around 8-9 I throw 3-4 more splits on the fire and it easily lasts until 6 am with enough coals to restart, which I haven't been doing since I haven't needed the heat during the day. I have no problem burning clean with no smoke out of the chimney even with 3-4 split fires. I usually have secondaries starting about 15 minutes into a cold start. I will add that my wood is extremly dry which helps. I have only packed the fire box a couple of times since owning it and had quite a big bed of coals and orange chunks the following morning. I would say i can easily do 10 hours and could probably stretch it to 12 on a fully packed fire box. Wouldn't be putting out hardly any heat at 12 and I would probably say its just carrying coals at that point.
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Your burn times are excellent! So far your stove appears efficient, attractive, durable and easy to use.. Sounds like you have a winner there! The Woodstock Fireview would probably be underpowered for my home so I have pretty much wrote that one off.. The new Woodstock should have more firepower and could be a contender but that convection thing keeps haunting me.. I really do like convection heat and that sold me on the CDW decades ago..

Ray

I would like to find a list of all convection stoves on the market today but haven't had any luck finding such a list..
 
raybonz said:
Franks said:
I agree. For the price difference if you want a good bump up from the CDW I'd go with the T6. Thats a lot of stove for not so much money.
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I haven't seen any prices posted so I don't know what we're talking about here.. I am also afraid if the stove is too big I will burn dirty trying to keep the heat output down especially in milder weather...

Ray
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Reread the thread. Prices in the first response.
 
I just bought my T5 end of February. I bought a stove shop model and got it for $1200 cash out the door. So far I have not really needed to push it too hard. My house is in the upper limits of the heating specs, but I think it will work out. I have been able to make it over night just fine, as well as from 7 am to when I get home from work. It is a very nice looking stove though. Good luck!
 
I recently priced a T5 in Michigan. It was $2200 as well.
 
Some other stoves you might consider are the Jotul F500 and F600. From what I read, these are cast iron heating beasts - and easy on the eyes too. Also, the Hearthstone soapstones are great stoves and extra easy on they eyes.

But, I don't think you'd go wrong with the T5 or T6.

Good luck,
Bill
 
I snapped this picture on my way out the door this morning. This was the remains of 9.5 hour fire, the living room was 73° with a stove top temp of 285-315° using an IR thermometer. I would say the I loosely packed the fire box 2/3 full, EW with 5 small splits (2 pieces I wouldn't even call splits more like splitting chunks) it was nowhere near full. There were lots of big coals and I could have had a new fire going in a few minutes had I needed the heat but I just opened the primary air to burn them down which will get me through until tonight heat wise.
 

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Something else to consider about these PE's is the dimensions. They are kind a boxy and when I looked at the T-6 it was HUGE! It might look a little out of place in a smaller room or home.
 
Update..

Visited the stove dealer today and placed a deposit on the Alderlea T-5.. They had no floor model T-6's and it would have cost me $2500.00 plus $274.00 for the blower.. The T-5 will fit the size of my room where stove is located.. I struck a deal on the unburned display model T-5 with the blower for $2100.00.. If someone else wanted that deal I think the dealer would give them the same price.. They are located in S. Dartmouth, MA.. I think I got a good deal.. I was also impressed with the Enamel PE Summit stoves, man they are pretty! The boss wanted the T-5 so it's done.. Now to get the hearth ready and see what I can get for the CDW FA264CCL.. Hope I made a wise choice as many feel I should get the T-6.. Thanx for all the input and advice!

Ray
 
Ray,
I think you know best as to which stove will work best in your home. The boss wanting the T5 also helps. Good luck.
 
-PB- said:
Ray,
I think you know best as to which stove will work best in your home. The boss wanting the T5 also helps. Good luck.
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Thanx PB I look forward to the fire show and learning a new and non-cat stove should be interesting..

Ray
 
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