How long does it take osage orange and black locust when planted from seed to get big enough for firewood harvesting?
Ed
Ed
Well, I'll scratch that hair-brained idea!!smokinjay said:Both are slow growing! 30+ years from seed.
Intheswamp said:Well, I'll scratch that hair-brained idea!!smokinjay said:Both are slow growing! 30+ years from seed.
Thanks for the info, Jay.
Ed
Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
Being warmer there anyways softwoods is a better answer!
Dennis, are you meaning hybrid ash trees?Backwoods Savage said:Just beware of the hybrid trees. Yes, most of them grow fast but the roots are monsters and most have more limbs than a pin oak.....and that's saying a lot. Most are also wetter than cottowood when you cut them, stink to high Heaven and are about as light as paper when dry. That does not make for very good firewood.
Intheswamp said:smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
Being warmer there anyways softwoods is a better answer!
I understand that the softwoods/lower-btu wood would be better for the shoulder seasons but what I'm looking for is something that will give the max btu's for nighttime burning in my F3CB (notice I didn't say overnight burns..though I'm still gonna shoot for it ) . I figure the higher btu wood will give me longer burn times.
I think for my area I need to start seeking out white oaks for the highest btu's.
Ed
Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
Being warmer there anyways softwoods is a better answer!
I understand that the softwoods/lower-btu wood would be better for the shoulder seasons but what I'm looking for is something that will give the max btu's for nighttime burning in my F3CB (notice I didn't say overnight burns..though I'm still gonna shoot for it ) . I figure the higher btu wood will give me longer burn times.
I think for my area I need to start seeking out white oaks for the highest btu's.
Ed
In A.l. Silver maple would be more than enough btu's....I know I make it through the winter of 2005-2006 with nothing but.
jimosufan said:a bigger firebox is the answer. Not always the most affordable. But it dose make more types of wood worthy.
smokinjay said:Both are slow growing! 30+ years from seed.
Bigg_Redd said:I Googled "how fast does black locust grow?" and it would seem the exact opposite is true. . .
http://www.google.com/search?client...fast+does+black+locust+grow&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
jeff_t said:Bigg_Redd said:I Googled "how fast does black locust grow?" and it would seem the exact opposite is true. . .
http://www.google.com/search?client...fast+does+black+locust+grow&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
I thought it was fairly fast growing, too. I read up on it a little a couple years back.
I've got a couple of small ones near one of my paths thru the woods. They were around 3" diameter three years ago, and are close to 6 now.
Intheswamp said:smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:smokinjay said:Intheswamp said:I just found this paper "The Black Locust in Alabama" from "THE AGRICULTURAL EXPERIMENT STATION
OF THE ALABAMA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE", apparently in Auburn, Alabama....circa 1935.
It shows a 1/2" diameter black locust tree at 8 years old from seed....
Interesting, but I think that I'll hunt around and see if I can find some existing local stands...
Ed
ETA: According to range maps BL only gets into northern Alabama...but I'll keep my eyes open. Hedge I'll look for further north of me.
Being warmer there anyways softwoods is a better answer!
I understand that the softwoods/lower-btu wood would be better for the shoulder seasons but what I'm looking for is something that will give the max btu's for nighttime burning in my F3CB (notice I didn't say overnight burns..though I'm still gonna shoot for it ) . I figure the higher btu wood will give me longer burn times.
I think for my area I need to start seeking out white oaks for the highest btu's.
Ed
In A.l. Silver maple would be more than enough btu's....I know I make it through the winter of 2005-2006 with nothing but.
Jay, help me out here and correct me if I'm wrong in the way I'm thinking. Sometimes I go off on a rabbit trail...
My stove is a small firebox F3CB. By my measurements the firebox is 1.1 cubic feet.
My goal is to get the longest worthwhile burns that I can out of the stove. Living here in the deep south we don't have anywhere near the cold they ya'll have up north...but it does get cold. Also, my house is an older circa 1950 house with LARGE expanses of single-pane iron casement type windows...old school windows and leaky. The walls are brick with mortar board on the interior...no insulation in the wall hollow. There's plenty of blown-in insulation in the attic.
Here is where I may be looking at btu's in the wrong way and possibly stove operation in the wrong way. As stated, my focus on higher btu wood is for maximizing burn times. With the small firebox of the F3CB I am resigned to shorter burn times than the larger firebox stoves give, but that doesn't stop me from seeking the longest burns that I can get with the F3.
Silver maple has a rough btu rating of ~19m/btus whereas the red oaks are listed at around 24m/btu. This is ~20% difference. My thought is that the higher btu oak will give me longer burn times versus the silver maple, or pine, or poplar, etc.,. But, with the F3CB non-cat, can I spread those btu's out over a longer period of time than I can with the lower btu wood? Or will the higher btu wood just end up putting out more heat for roughly the same period of time as the lower btu wood?
My thinking is that if I get a four hour burn time out of something like silver maple then I should get around a five hour burn out of red oak. (I'm hoping I get better burn times than that, though. )
Do I need to re-think my thinking? :gulp:
Thanks!
Ed
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