I'm interested in the contemporary look. It so new no one has it in the showroom yet.
Any up front critique?
My first quote was 3200.
Any up front critique?
My first quote was 3200.
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Never heard of it 'til now (I'm not in the market for an insert). I imagine you've been all through this:
http://www.avalonfirestyles.com/product_guide/detail.aspx?id=333
http://www.avalonfirestyles.com/product_guide/detail.aspx?id=333
2.2 cubic feet. 24" logs
Lopi Travis Industries
Perfect-Fit Plus is also one of the only wood burning inserts to feature a bypass damper that lets you open the flue before starting or reloading your wood making fire start-up simple and preventing smoke spillage into your home.
Lopi Travis Industries
Perfect-Fit Plus is also one of the only wood burning inserts to feature a bypass damper that lets you open the flue before starting or reloading your wood making fire start-up simple and preventing smoke spillage into your home.
Todd
Minister of Fire
I just like the contemporary look. Dealer is getting one buy the end of this month. I want to touch it.
dafattkidd
Minister of Fire
I think it looks great. Huge glass, modern and clean. The only beef I have with it is the depth of the firebox. It is no good for NS loading, and that makes a big difference. At least that has been my experience.
Why does north south loading make the difference in burning? I'm used to an open fireplace where I always load east west.
Also I don't see the firebox dimensions in the specs except for the 2.2 cf
Pricing wise I can get a Clydesdale in brown Porcelain for
$3100
$3200 for the black Perfect Plus. so I don't know. The Avalon is a good insert from my research. It's basically a Lopi isn't it?
I'm a bit confused. The Lopi website doesn't seem to show the entire line of wood inserts or they discontinued some. I don't see the Walden.
Also check out this Aussy version of the Lopi Line
http://www.lopi.com.au/brochures/Lopi_wood_brochure10.pdf
Also I don't see the firebox dimensions in the specs except for the 2.2 cf
Pricing wise I can get a Clydesdale in brown Porcelain for
$3100
$3200 for the black Perfect Plus. so I don't know. The Avalon is a good insert from my research. It's basically a Lopi isn't it?
I'm a bit confused. The Lopi website doesn't seem to show the entire line of wood inserts or they discontinued some. I don't see the Walden.
Also check out this Aussy version of the Lopi Line
http://www.lopi.com.au/brochures/Lopi_wood_brochure10.pdf
Avalon and Lopi are both made by Travis Industries. They make a very good stoves. I'd be all over that brown Clydesdale though. IMO, the Clydesdale is the best looking insert on the market.
If your still considering going with Enviro, it's a very nice insert. I'm really happy with mine.
If your still considering going with Enviro, it's a very nice insert. I'm really happy with mine.
dafattkidd
Minister of Fire
Or me NS loading is a lot easier. It helps keep wood from rolling into the glass and is a lot easier to load. But that's just me.
As for the depth of the firebox if that box takes a 24" log EW and I will assume its around 12" hight that leaves I think 12" of depth. That's doable for NS loading but that makes for really short splits.
Either way that's abeautiful insert, and from what I've read about lopi that sucker should put out some heat.
As for the depth of the firebox if that box takes a 24" log EW and I will assume its around 12" hight that leaves I think 12" of depth. That's doable for NS loading but that makes for really short splits.
Either way that's abeautiful insert, and from what I've read about lopi that sucker should put out some heat.
If I go Clydesdale I will have to do a close up inspection of my hearth. It's a piece of stone or cement, hard to tell, about 1-1/2" thick. I don't know what is under it. Clydesdale wants R1. Lopi only wants non-flammable.
There is another version that is only shown on the Aussy site. It's a flat face version without the lights. Lopi's USA site only show 3 Insets. What's up with that?
There is another version that is only shown on the Aussy site. It's a flat face version without the lights. Lopi's USA site only show 3 Insets. What's up with that?
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CSCPeter
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I just went to www.lopistoves.com and all their wood inserts were on the site
Lopi is the traditional line and Avalon is the contemporary line
Lopi is the traditional line and Avalon is the contemporary line
CSCPeter said:
Sorry but I don't see the Flush Wood designs or the Walden when I click on the inserts. There are only 3 choices
Go to this site and report back...
http://www.lopi.com.au/brochures/Lopi_wood_brochure10.pdf
CSCPeter
Member
That is the australian brochure not the US brochure
http://www.lopistoves.com/TravisDocs/98800200.PDF
The Walden never made it to the sales floor, so you won't see it in a brochure
http://www.lopistoves.com/TravisDocs/98800200.PDF
The Walden never made it to the sales floor, so you won't see it in a brochure
I'm confused. They are all made in the US.
I guess they mix up the stoves in Australia a little differently. I didn't see the flat look Flush on the Avalon site, only as a Lopi in Aussy.
No biggy.
I guess they mix up the stoves in Australia a little differently. I didn't see the flat look Flush on the Avalon site, only as a Lopi in Aussy.
No biggy.
I'm surprised that they have a BTU rating of 72K with 2.2 CC firebox while Jotul rockland is rated at 65K with close to 3 cc firebox. Can someone help me understand that?
The way I see it is they all get the lab test. Usually the BTU is higher than what they advertise because the test is ideal conditions. So it's up to the manufacturer to decide what to rate it as and take the chance of getting their bluff called.
In other words say the test comes out 100,000 BTU. If they advertised that you most likely would never see it because most situations are not controlled test conditions. So they use a number lower to be more realistic. The test gives them a baseline.
Different designs do in fact produce different BTU ratings. A smaller box might output more BTU but for how long?
Mike
In other words say the test comes out 100,000 BTU. If they advertised that you most likely would never see it because most situations are not controlled test conditions. So they use a number lower to be more realistic. The test gives them a baseline.
Different designs do in fact produce different BTU ratings. A smaller box might output more BTU but for how long?
Mike
I think it is actually the opposite. The EPA lab test is done with a fixed quantity of fir wood. This is to try to objectify results across stove makes. Kind of like the EPA gas mileage tests. It does not represent the maximum capacity of the stove. The max output is not measured by the EPA, but by an independent lab or the stove maker. It is based on ideal circumstances and wood. At least that is the way I understand it.
And if that's the case I suppose the EPA test is only for emissions.
Everything else could be fairy tales. Unless you have your own way to measure BTU output, we just have to go by the experiences of others. That's not the best because those aren't controlled conditions.
Everything else could be fairy tales. Unless you have your own way to measure BTU output, we just have to go by the experiences of others. That's not the best because those aren't controlled conditions.
dafattkidd
Minister of Fire
I think that's why most guys here on the forum say you can figure out how much heat you'll get out of a stove mostly based on firebox size. There are of course many other variables, but the firebox size seems to be a fairly good general indicator of heat output for stoves.
Travis Industries/Lopi seems to have a good rep for wood stoves so why they have such a high BTU for a mid range box is a wonder.
It is possible the design is that good?
It is possible the design is that good?
mhrischuk said:
I have an Endeavor and I think the heat transfer of the stove works great. It creates a convection current in the house that seems to work very well for my layout. I do have a new stove(bigger firebox) in the works though so I'll get to test that theory out this winter. I have nothing but good things to say about the quality of the Travis/Lopi products, I do wish they offered a larger freestanding stove that was good for N/S loading.
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