englander 30 simpson dvl stove adapter problem?

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greythorn3

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I was wondering if anyone else cant get there stove adapter to go all the way down to the stovetop on the outer layer of the simpson dvl stove adapter it seems the crimp in mine is slightly to large to go past the welded plate, and will only go as far as the bottom of the stove collar and thats leaves a gap at the stove top to the outer wall of 1" or so, should i bend the crimp in more to pass the welded plate inside, or will this be a problem? this is my first time with double wall chimney pipe help

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how are you supposed to secure the stove adapter when you cant get to the inside layer? do you put the screws in from the inside of the pipe out?
 
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!
 
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

its on the right way, i think im just going to have to use some longer screws i got to go thru the double wall outer to the collar to the inner wall.. man this double wall dvl pipe scratches up so easy, now it all looks like crap! getting the stickers off it seems impossable too, i took a sticker off and used fingernail polish remover and it took the paint off.. man this is becomming a real bummer this double wall interior pipe!

gonna have a buncha scratched up new pipe by the time i get done.
 
Can't advise on the DVL but can tell you that the plate under the collar is the top of the stove body and the pipe does not go inside that. It is just where they cut the 5.5" hole to let the smoke out into the stove collar. Go down inside that and you will block the flow.
 
cmonSTART said:
Is it snug and secure there? There should be a gap between the outer wall and the top of the stove to allow air flow up through the DVL. It's an air cooled pipe.
Thats an air cooled pipe, am I missing something as that would not be good.
 
Gotcha. I am sure a pro will give you the scoop on the screws.

I know what you mean about scratching easy. I telescoped my telescoping pipe once, and it took the paint off in spots. I grabbed a can of paint when I got the stove, but I sure was not expecting to use it this soon, and for that reason.

Take care!
 
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

x2, the one pictured is wrong, I can take pictures of mine if you'd like. How is the attaching pipe going to get a secure connection going into the crimped piece?

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greythorn3 said:
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

its on the right way, i think im just going to have to use some longer screws i got to go thru the double wall outer to the collar to the inner wall.. man this double wall dvl pipe scratches up so easy, now it all looks like crap! getting the stickers off it seems impossable too, i took a sticker off and used fingernail polish remover and it took the paint off.. man this is becomming a real bummer this double wall interior pipe!

gonna have a buncha scratched up new pipe by the time i get done.

If you repaint the DVL, for touching up be sure not to use Stove Brite paint. It has an acetone base and will peel off the paint just like nail polish remover. Use Krylon hi-temp paint or similar instead.
 
greythorn3 said:
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

its on the right way, i think im just going to have to use some longer screws i got to go thru the double wall outer to the collar to the inner wall.. man this double wall dvl pipe scratches up so easy, now it all looks like crap! getting the stickers off it seems impossable too, i took a sticker off and used fingernail polish remover and it took the paint off.. man this is becomming a real bummer this double wall interior pipe!

gonna have a buncha scratched up new pipe by the time i get done.

It is on the right way. It just looks upside down. I have to go take a pic now.. I have the same Problem here...

By the way. Your threads you have started have helped me as much as they helped you.

Thanks Greythorn3...
 
I know that it has to work, but why does it look so ugly. I bought my entire set-up from Forum member "Lethaldose". He sold me EVERYTHING, for $800. The stove had literally 3 Fires in it. He bought it (New stove, New Triple wall outside, Double wall inside, New thimble, New brackets, Cap, etc) and sold it to me less than a month later. The stove had been burned in.

It sits up way to high. He had all the Double wall screwed together. But the Stove adapter was not screwed to the stove (Odd??) Either way, thats why my pipe may appear dusty and used or burned in.

Anyways. Here are the photo's... The 1st 4 photo's are of the pipe and the last is all the stuff included in the $800 price. Excuse the messy garage..
 

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The double wall pipe does not look as good as the single wall pipe IMHO but for clearance problems its a good deal, you got a very good deal there. When I bought my stove the only stove pipe they carried was double wall (odd I thought) so I bought heavy duty single wall welded stove pipe as I did not need the double wall.
 
yes mine looks just like yours the outer wall sticks up off the stove 1 inch or so! u think they coulda cut air slots in it so it could sit on the stove to make it look better like single wall, i wouldnt use this double wall if i didnt have to because of a clearance issue.

i screwed on screw in mine now to hold it to the stoves collar. looks like crap and all the scratches from my slip pipe over it tops off the ugly!

the horror!!

so what is this paint type and where can i get it to fix this.
 

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DexterDay said:
greythorn3 said:
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

its on the right way, i think im just going to have to use some longer screws i got to go thru the double wall outer to the collar to the inner wall.. man this double wall dvl pipe scratches up so easy, now it all looks like crap! getting the stickers off it seems impossable too, i took a sticker off and used fingernail polish remover and it took the paint off.. man this is becomming a real bummer this double wall interior pipe!

gonna have a buncha scratched up new pipe by the time i get done.

It is on the right way. It just looks upside down. I have to go take a pic now.. I have the same Problem here...

By the way. Your threads you have started have helped me as much as they helped you.

Thanks Greythorn3...

im glad its helped you, i feel i ask allot of dump simple questions, but i only ask them for our safety
 
That gap is just too ugly to bear. Take those two stoves out front and tell me where to have Fed-Ex Freight pick them up.

Well, one of them. I ain't paying to have one hauled from Alaska.
 
BrotherBart said:
That gap is just too ugly to bear. Take those two stoves out front and tell me where to have Fed-Ex Freight pick them up.

Well, one of them. I ain't paying to have one hauled from Alaska.
Got a Fahrenheit Endurance Bio-Mass Furnace I will be selling Soon. Wanna Get rid of that PDVC and get a Huge Pellet Furnace??? Sell it cheap...

greythorn3 said:
DexterDay said:
greythorn3 said:
Elim said:
Hey Greythorn,

Let me start by saying I am no pro. However I think you have it on upside down. I just looked at mine and the crimped end is down in the collar. Can you give it a look to see if it will flip, and fit?

Good Luck!

its on the right way, i think im just going to have to use some longer screws i got to go thru the double wall outer to the collar to the inner wall.. man this double wall dvl pipe scratches up so easy, now it all looks like crap! getting the stickers off it seems impossable too, i took a sticker off and used fingernail polish remover and it took the paint off.. man this is becomming a real bummer this double wall interior pipe!

gonna have a buncha scratched up new pipe by the time i get done.

It is on the right way. It just looks upside down. I have to go take a pic now.. I have the same Problem here...

By the way. Your threads you have started have helped me as much as they helped you.

Thanks Greythorn3...
im glad its helped you, i feel i ask allot of dump simple questions, but i only ask them for our safety

No Question is a dumb question. Even though I may not comment on some. I still see and read them. You have now asked 3 Questions I wanted to ask. I was waiting till later in the year to ask them. Not installing mine until September. But now I know...

Thats why this Forum is here. We are all different. But there are a few common bonds that bring us all together............
 
i believe this forum makes us all safer wood burners. thanks to everyone on here forsure. Heres to all you, bottoms up!
 
greythorn3 said:
i screwed on screw in mine now to hold it to the stoves collar. looks like crap and all the scratches from my slip pipe over it tops off the ugly!

the horror!!

so what is this paint type and where can i get it to fix this.

It must be a high temp paint that is not acetone based. Krylon high temp is what I used: http://www.krylon.com/products/bbq_stove_paints/

Don't use Stove Brite, it is an acetone-based paint.
 
BeGreen said:
greythorn3 said:
i screwed on screw in mine now to hold it to the stoves collar. looks like crap and all the scratches from my slip pipe over it tops off the ugly!

the horror!!

so what is this paint type and where can i get it to fix this.

It must be a high temp paint that is not acetone based. Krylon high temp is what I used: http://www.krylon.com/products/bbq_stove_paints/

Don't use Stove Brite, it is an acetone-based paint.

thanks bgreen i will pick some up nextime im in town.
 
greythorn3 said:
i believe this forum makes us all safer wood burners. thanks to everyone on here forsure. Heres to all you, bottoms up!

X 1,000,000.... There are many people that would have not had as successful of a season, if not for this Site. I had 2 seasons of Pellet Burning before finding this Forum. I wish I would have known about it when I started. This site brings a sense of experience, to even the most amateur. If you don't know... Ask and you shall receive. I love the camaraderie of Hearth.com. All the different people with different systems and set-ups.

I used that Krylon BBQ & Stove paint on my Old Englander (Pellet stove) and it looks fantastic. More of a Matte Finish.. Cheaper than most other Stove paints (Rutland, Etc)
 
I have a similar question as the question originally posed in this thread, and this thread has been helpful.
I will summarize what I have read:
- Install crimped end into stove
- Do not put crimped in below the metal plate (inside the stove -- rest it on the edge). This will leave about 1" clearance from the double (outer) wall from the stove top

Follow up question:
- Does anyone have problems with draft air being sucked in around this connection? My adapter fits into the collar pretty loosely (same product as you have) and I wonder if draft air is shortcutting through this path. How can I seal this up better?
 
I use stove brite on my Simpson double wall and it has held up just great. Applies very easily, hides the scratches, and dries fast. Not sure if the acetone thing is now fixed?

Double wall pipe is uglier. It is bigger, way more expensive, and has strange fitment issues. The gap on the bottom never looks finished. Teh double wall pipe is superior though in that it is made of stainless steel so it should last much longer than regular single wall pipe.
 
well its been burning good with the crazy double wall gap anyhow. gonna take it back apart and sweep it after the first snow, and put some furnace cement in the stove adapter to take up the loose fit some.
 
cmonSTART said:
Is it snug and secure there? There should be a gap between the outer wall and the top of the stove to allow air flow up through the DVL. It's an air cooled pipe.

oldspark said:
Thats an air cooled pipe, am I missing something as that would not be good.

x2, that's what I'm thinking, BK recommends double wall so flue temps stay up instead of letting it escape to the room. They're not looking to cool the flue temps.

My understanding is the pipe is air-insulated, which I think is different than air cooled. I had my adapter just about flush on my Endeavor(picture posted earlier in this thread), and on my BK it's also pretty much flush. I could almost always put my hand on the pipe without burning myself on the Endeavor, I can't comment on the BK since I haven't burned in it yet. There is no way I could look at that ugly gap on my stove pipe.
 
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