Is a Jotul 600 overkill in my situation? VIDEO!!

tfdchief · Aug 4, 2011

WYO said:
tfdchief said:

BrotherBart said:

I am a little stuck here. Telling the truth I love looking at that stove he has. I would put a liner in that chimney and burn really dry wood for a while before I chucked it. :red:

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BB, I am with you on this one. I have both old and new and I love them both. Given the trouble to change, I am sticking with my old buck insert that I love and have burned for 30 years. Mind you, I love the new EPA stove in the kitchen, just not ready to chuck my old one yet.

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Interesting. Does your insert have blower fans? Before I rigged up some makeshift fans, I was literally getting zero heat from my stove. Yes, it was raging hot, but all that heat was just staying put. I can't image keeping this unit without a more advanced retrofitting of a fan system. Also, I feel like one of my root problems is not having a liner. All my heat disappears...what's left of those fleeting BTUs is trapped inside a super inefficient insert system. Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about...

Sorry, Yes, mine has a very good heat exchanger, top, bottom, sides, and back with 3 temp./speed fan thermostatically controlled. Throws all the heat I need. I see your problem now and don't blame you for wanting something better and more efficient.

Todd · Aug 4, 2011

Did you ever try reversing that blower so the cold upstairs air blows down into the stove room? I think it would be more effective pushing the denser cold air down which will push the warm air up to replace it. If you had a nice EPA insert in there blowing that hot air out and your homemade blower pushing the cold air down I think it would make a great circulation loop and warm your whole house.

kruger · Aug 4, 2011

Todd said:
Did you ever try reversing that blower so the cold upstairs air blows down into the stove room? I think it would be more effective pushing the denser cold air down which will push the warm air up to replace it. If you had a nice EPA insert in there blowing that hot air out and your homemade blower pushing the cold air down I think it would make a great circulation loop and warm your whole house.

Interesting...hadn't thought of that. Thanks!

Todd · Aug 4, 2011

WYO said:
BeGreen said:

The fireplace height is the gotcha here. It will need an insert without making major modifications.

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Yeah, at 25 3/4" not many big free standers are going to clear. The Oslo 500 is a rear exit and requires 26" with the short leg option...just missing it.

It wouldn't be hard for a mason to remove 1 layer of brick and move that lintel up if you really want a hearth stove but it would be easier to just slide a new insert in there. Here's a thread on what I did to my fireplace. It was quite the operation but the heat just rolls out of that brick surround with no blower necessary. It cost more than an insert but I think it looks better.

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/56601/

dafattkidd · Aug 5, 2011

WYO,

That set up is made for an insert. If you line that chimney and stick an insert in there you will be so pleased. Modern inserts are designed to throw heat into the room. A new insert will blow warm air right into that kitchen. And from the looks of things you should be able to get a good amount of heat upstairs as well. And you'll be able to sit in that hearth room and enjoy the fire. i really think a stand alone stove is going make that room into the 80s. To me that's unbearable and uncomfortable.

That being said, Todd has a beautiful set up. Looks like it was a ton of work but it is beautiful.

kruger · Aug 5, 2011

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't I just get a free standing stove; get the benifits of radiant heat and use the blower option to move air if I feel that works best? So I tone down the wood push and just use the blower if it feels like I'm running too hot for the room....?.... Many folks are pushing the insert and maybe that's the best option, but with almost all free standers coming with a blower, wouldn't it have the edge on an insert? Let's pretend I like to where cutoff jeans and sleeveless tees in the hearthroom....am I worried about 80 Degrees? If that gets heat to the second floor best isn't that the way to go? I just want to be corrected if my thinking is incorrect...and not on the cutoffs

Todd · Aug 5, 2011

WYO said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't I just get a free standing stove; get the benifits of radiant heat and use the blower option to move air if I feel that works best? So I tone down the wood push and just use the blower if it feels like I'm running too hot for the room....?.... Many folks are pushing the insert and maybe that's the best option, but with almost all free standers coming with a blower, wouldn't it have the edge on an insert? Let's pretend I like to where cutoff jeans and sleeveless tees in the hearthroom....am I worried about 80 Degrees? If that gets heat to the second floor best isn't that the way to go? I just want to be corrected if my thinking is incorrect...and not on the cutoffs

Your not wrong, either will work, depends on what you want. Sounds like you really want a hearth stove so go for it. I think the hearth stove will be more expensive because you will have to modify the fireplace and hearth to make it work but it will also give you that radiant heat you want.

I'd like to see that new Jotul TL-50 sitting there. It has a built in rear shield with blower option along with removable side shields if you want more radiant heat. Top loading would be sweet, no kneeling, bending or messing with ash spills while reloading.

kruger · Aug 5, 2011

Todd said:
WYO said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't I just get a free standing stove; get the benefits of radiant heat and use the blower option to move air if I feel that works best? So I tone down the wood push and just use the blower if it feels like I'm running too hot for the room....?.... Many folks are pushing the insert and maybe that's the best option, but with almost all free standers coming with a blower, wouldn't it have the edge on an insert? Let's pretend I like to where cutoff jeans and sleeveless tees in the hearthroom....am I worried about 80 Degrees? If that gets heat to the second floor best isn't that the way to go? I just want to be corrected if my thinking is incorrect...and not on the cutoffs

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Your not wrong, either will work, depends on what you want. Sounds like you really want a hearth stove so go for it. I think the hearth stove will be more expensive because you will have to modify the fireplace and hearth to make it work but it will also give you that radiant heat you want.

I'd like to see that new Jotul TL-50 sitting there. It has a built in rear shield with blower option along with removable side shields if you want more radiant heat. Top loading would be sweet, no kneeling, bending or messing with ash spills while reloading.

I don't mean to come across as "sounding" like I really want a hearth stove, but I've had a number of people tell me that's the way to go. A number of folks here are talking insert. I suppose this is the disclaimer in the FAQ suggesting you are going to get opinions and bias when asking "what stove?" I just want to make the best decision, especially when I'm dropping a bunch of cash on something permanent.

I like the TL-50 as well, but it's too tall by about five inches with no short leg option. The Oslo 500 is only 1/4" too tall...much closer to fitting.

I love what Todd's done as well, but it's more than I'm wanting to fabricate/change.

I truly appreciate everyone's help. Thanks.

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