Need advice on downed trees

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Berone

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Sep 17, 2007
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Peekskill, NY
I had a couple of trees downed by Irene, which prompted me to finally get a chain saw and go after the wood in the gully behind my place. One of the trees (not terribly large, maybe 25' tall or so, 12" around) landed in a fork of another tree. So it's sitting at about a 45 degree angle. Any advice on getting it down? I'm thinking about attaching a couple of 2x4's to create a support and cutting it away in sections. Thoughts?

Thanks,
 
Safest way is gonna be to pull it down with something. I'm sure other more experienced cutters will chime in. It is very difficult and dangerous to cut on a leaner, just a word of advice.
 
I've done it a couple times and I hate it every time. Spend as much time as needed to get a good read on how things will happen once you start cutting. One way to do it would be to take sections out of the leaner until it's straight up, this is what I've usually done. Now the safest would obviously be to pull it down with something while you're safely out of the way. Obviously have clean escape routes(multiples) if you do decide to cut it down.

If you can post a few pictures maybe the pro's can offer some sound advise. Getting a few pieces of firewood isn't worth getting hurt or killed over.
 
rdust said:
Getting a few pieces of firewood isn't worth getting hurt or killed over.

+1....well said.
 
Two words: spring poles.
I had a local friend have to buy himself a new set of teeth after accidentally releasing one while pruning up a downed tree.
Take a 2nd look and be careful.
 
A tree section that is 12" diameter and 25 ft should be able to be pulled free with a pickup truck or tractor.
 
Whatever you do, DO NOT cut the tree down that is holding up the leaner.

Post some pics and someone here will walk you thru it or tell you to walk away.
 
I'd use a chain and comealong. For real interesting answers, the WN basement is the place to go. :lol:

Matt
 
I 'll go down into the gully tomorrow and snap some pics. Unfortunately there is no access for any type of vehicle, so whatever I do will be by hand. (Will make it a workout to remove the wood once cut, too. Speaking of which, any suggestions on getting wood through the woods and up a hill? I have a Harbor Freight wood cart which I'll try). A come along and chain might let me pull it back. I would have to cut the root ball free first, but I think I can do that safely.
Yeah, Matt, I stay out of the basement. I'm sure someone would suggest plastique!
 
Pictures! :cheese:
 
Because you are just starting out with the cutting I would hesitate to recommend anything other than pulling that tree down. Even then, be extremely careful and for sure if anyone watches, do so at a safe distance.
 
I agree with the other posters:

Pictures posted here would help to advise you.

And because it sounds like you are a new(er) chainsaw user, I'd hesitate to recommend your cutting this wood, or at least I recommend a an experienced sawyer nearby to help and to guide you if something goes wrong.

Do you have an appropriate helmet to wear?
 
Just how badly do you think you need this particular tree? It doesn't pose a danger to anyone except someone who comes along to harvest it for firewood. Sounds like you might be a bit short on both appropriate equipment and experience to go after this one by yourself. Maybe best to either get some help or just let it be for now and collect some other wood. Rick
 
No Hijacking intended - I had almost the exact same situation a few days ago. While back a mostly dead 70-80' (approx 18-20") Ash decided to tumble, breaking about 12' from the ground and falling onto a pile of large rocks in a neighbors yard with the broken part leaning precariously on the remaining tall stump. A leaner indeed.

I, after studying the forums (no $ or else I would have called someone) borrowed an electric 16" "tool of death" from the B.I.L to do the deed.

Luckily, my neighbor who had been watching me approach the beast with (smiles and amusement I'm sure on his part) and fear and loathing on my part, came over and offered to help.

Turns out he was a pro arborist who retired when his back went a few years ago. He says "that's about as perfect a widowmaker as I've seen in 30 years of tree work." I'm not hep to the lingo but the meaning is clear to me.

He cut the leaning section (the largest part of the three) into several sections until it was about even in size with the remaining upright portion of the tree. Then I and another neighbor drafted for duty pulled on a rope while he cut the upright about two feet from the ground and down they came. I, with no experience with trees, never appreciated the actual weight of wood until those two 12' logs hit the ground with a surprising "thump" and a very noticeable ground shake. - "Thank you Jimmy!"

I swear if I don't die of natural causes I'm going to be one of those people who 'wins' a Darwin award (shrug).

Littlalex
 
fossil said:
Just how badly do you think you need this particular tree? It doesn't pose a danger to anyone except someone who comes along to harvest it for firewood. Sounds like you might be a bit short on both appropriate equipment and experience to go after this one by yourself. Maybe best to either get some help or just let it be for now and collect some other wood. Rick

That's what I was thinking. Let it be.
 
Sounds like you are inn my position, little experience, little equipment. I have loads of good trees in the hollow where I can't easily get them out. I vote that you leave this one be and find a safer tree at the top of the hill.
 
fossil said:
Just how badly do you think you need this particular tree? It doesn't pose a danger to anyone except someone who comes along to harvest it for firewood. Sounds like you might be a bit short on both appropriate equipment and experience to go after this one by yourself. Maybe best to either get some help or just let it be for now and collect some other wood. Rick

+1 to that
 
Well, as others have already advised......you get the picture. Felling a tree is dangerous enough. Trying to get this one down.....your first tree ever.....would just be silly. Don't. Read about felling trees, learn from others with experience, and start on something safer. I have cut down a lot of trees in my life, and it still scares me every time. I take every possible danger I can, out of the equation, and then proceed with caution.
 
Backwoods Savage said:
Because you are just starting out with the cutting I would hesitate to recommend anything other than pulling that tree down.
Yep. Don't want to dive into the deep end of the pool until you're sure you can swim. :eek:hh:
 
There is nothing more dangerous than storm damaged trees. Stay away!
 
Get yourself a 2 ton come-a-long. Wrap chain a couple times around the bottom of that tree, hook chain to come-a-long, hook come-a-long to suitable tree, and start crankin'. See what happens. I've safely brought down numerous trees this way.

I'd caution you on cutting that root ball. Since there's no pics, this is purely conjecture, but cutting the root ball can cause the tree to slide backwards, can pinch your bar too, that'll whizz ya off for sure. Then you'll wish ya had another chainsaw to cut out the one that's stuck in there. Doesn't sound like your case though as your tree sounds like it's leaned over far enough to not slide backwards on you.

I've heard of guys killed when cutting root balls, you see, the root ball can stand back up when you cut through. In fact, I think it was a little girl killed not too long ago, she was standing near/in the hole and the guy cut the root ball and it stood back up and crushed her. Or, the tree can shift back on ya, roll over, or who knows what else. It can be exciting for sure!

You get a good come-a-long and 40 foot of chain or more and you can pull down most any tree safely, as long as it ain't a four foot trunk on it, haha.....HOWEVER :)....., I've seen trees coming down smack limbs of other trees, or smack into other trees, and hunks of limbs go flyin'.....and I KNOW these can/have killed men before.

BTW, you got a hard hat?

I do :)
 
wendell said:
There is nothing more dangerous than storm damaged trees. Stay away!

Dead standing trees scare me more for various reasons.
 
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