Expansion tank(s) question.

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Gasifier

Minister of Fire
Apr 25, 2011
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St. Lawrence River Valley, N.Y.
We are in the process of installing My New E-100 Wood gun with an approximately 375-400 gallon storage tank. Boiler guys did half of the job on this past Saturday and hope to finish this coming Saturday. A quick question for you. The E-100 holds 60 gallons. Let's call the storage tank 400 gallons. The oil boiler holds 30 gallons. Let's throw in 20 gallons for the piping thoughout the house. For a total of 510 gallons. Can I use three smaller tanks for expansion to save money on buying a large, very expensive tank?

For example. We have an Amtrol 60, which is rated at 14 gallons for the E-100. That is greater than 10% for that. The oil boiler already has it's expansion tank that has been with it for 7 years now. No problems there. For the storage tank. Could I use three Amtrol Extrol 90s? They are rated at 14 gallons each. That would be a total of 42 gallons between the three expansion tanks. Just over the 10% mark of 40 gallons for the storage tank. Thanks for your time.

It took some looking, but I found a Danfoss 1-1/2" bypass valve. 140Deg. temp setting for $180.00.
 
Sorry but I don't have an answer.

I actually have a question.

I am getting my WG S.S. E100 on Thursday.

Have your plumbers installed these types of units before? And if so would they be willing to come to Long Island?

No one here has even heard of these things let alone hooked one up.

I assume that it cant be much different than a standard OB install but want to have someone with hands on experience.
 
Thanks for the responses.

Mine is the E100 S.S. as well. I bought it last spring and am now just getting it hooked up. I and my boiler guys have been swamped with projects.

Have your plumbers installed these types of units before? And if so would they be willing to come to Long Island?
They have not installed one of the Wood Guns. But they have installed several boiler systems. To include some larger ones for a small school and several small commercial buildings. We are about 8 hours from Long Island. My boiler guys barely had enough time to install my project and I live about 8 miles from them. So they are not willing to come to Long Island.

My suggestion would be to find a respected boiler guy/company and use one of the diagrams from the Sticky for him to review. Most importantly, I also made sure they were on the same page as I was and understood the "theory of operation" in the posted sticky Simplest Pressurized Storage System Design by Nofossil. Thanks Nofossil. Now I just hope the guys can get their electrical components to work right and make the system work like that theory of operation. They said no problem.


As far as I know, there’s no functional difference between multiple small expansion tanks vs. one large expansion tank.
I could not believe the cost of the expansion tank that would be the appropriate size for the 400 gallon tank! $2000-$3000! What the ______? :gulp:
Is there any special location I should put the expansion tanks? For instance. Should they be as high up in the system as I can get them? Thanks for your time guys.
 
Gasifier said:
I could not believe the cost of the expansion tank that would be the appropriate size for the 400 gallon tank! $2000-$3000! What the ______? :gulp:
Is there any special location I should put the expansion tanks? For instance. Should they be as high up in the system as I can get them? Thanks for your time guys.

I'm guessing somebody's got their signals crossed:

http://www.pexuniverse.com/amtrol-st-80v-term-x-trol-expansion-tanks-147n131

Putting the expansion tank upstairs or in the attic could mean reducing the size needed by 10 to 30 percent, so it's usually not worth it, but the bigger the system the more it could pay off.

--ewd
 
I’m guessing somebody’s got their signals crossed:

I hope you are right! I went to the Amtrol sight and followed there product sizing for the 400 gallon tank. Used the hydronic expansion tank sizing. Put in my number of gallons (400), my temperature difference 50-200 deg, and pressure of 10-20 and it recommended an AX Series: AX-100(V), L Series: 200-L , LBC Series: 200-LBC , all very expensive. What did I do wrong?

As far as location goes, I was wondering if I should place the expansion tank up towards the ceiling in the boiler room, at top of my vertical storage tank, or if that would even make any difference.

Thanks for your time.
 
Someone will correct me if I am wrong but I think you can use any combo in one location as long as the volume and acceptance volume add up. Maybe a SX-30V and two SX-40V's would work. You would get a total of 54 gallons with an acceptance of 33.3 gallons for a little over $300. I have seen pics on here of guys running multiple tanks.
 
Gasifier said:
I’m guessing somebody’s got their signals crossed:

I hope you are right! I went to the Amtrol sight and followed there product sizing for the 400 gallon tank. Used the hydronic expansion tank sizing. Put in my number of gallons (400), my temperature difference 50-200 deg, and pressure of 10-20 and it recommended an AX Series: AX-100(V), L Series: 200-L , LBC Series: 200-LBC , all very expensive. What did I do wrong?

As far as location goes, I was wondering if I should place the expansion tank up towards the ceiling in the boiler room, at top of my vertical storage tank, or if that would even make any difference.

Thanks for your time.

I dont think you did anything wrong. Those tanks are all the commercial tanks, and most are ASME rated. When you get into that size tank, the rating gets to be very expensive.

You definitely want to manifold some of the residential sized tanks together instead.
 
I just installed two 90s and one 30 for my 500 gallon tank. I tapped into the bottom of my air scoop and plumbed over to a Tee, put one 90 on one leg of the tee and the 30 and the other 90 on the other leg of the tee.

Cheapest way to have a low maintenance (not check and add air) system I could find. My local plumbing supply house was $6.00 more before shipping compared to a big name internet ordering site.

Good luck,

Bill
 
yes you can manifold small tanks as long as the acceptance volume adds up. It's best to hang the tank with the nipple facing up. But I have seen tanks on their side, done it myself, and it doesn't seem to lessen the life of the tank.

Be sure you adjust the pre-charge in every tank to the exact same pressure. T

The tank(s) connection point should be at the inlet, suction side of you system pump. That is also the place to tie in you boiler fill valve.

hr
 
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