How many of you move a ton a pellets on your truck? Do you have a full ton truck?
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tjnamtiw
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AW1223 said:
That's what I'm talking about. That's the right way to do it! That 250 probably has a net weight of about 6000 lbs so you are good for 4000# of payload. Most people get the 1/2 ton tag which might be good for 5000# GVW, depending on the state. Well, guess what, the TRUCK weighs that much so two cases of beer puts you over limit.
Phatty
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my 06 gmc 2500hd hauls 2 tons no problem and yes i tie it down after watching the truck in front of me dump half his on the street while making a turn
My old 92 Dakota has brought home about 24 tons over the last 5 years, one ton at a time. A little overweight but no sagging thanks to the air bags.
ssupercoolss
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whosthat said:
its actually irresponsible of the establishment that let you drive away so overloaded. It could actually come back to haunt them god forbid you were involved in some type of accident.
i manage a distrubution facilty that sells a liquid bulk product. i have guys trying to leave here with thier bumper dragging on the ground. they argue with me as to how much thier truck can haul, because its an extended cab, or its a special F-150 that was made to haul 2 tons, or its blue. obviously for liability reasons we dont let anyone leave overloaded, and we havent made many new friends with this policy. i cringe everytime i see someone driving down the road obviously overloaded, and that they feel as though their truck handles the weight just fine even though the tires are flattened out.
trailers are normally tagged as GVW, and that is (GVW) - (weight of trailer) = load capacity. same as trucks actually. But we do have a bunch of 20 ton trailers that you can actually put 20 tons on. Gvw on those is 47,000 lbs.
ps....my dad couldnt actually beat anybody up.
tjnamtiw
Minister of Fire
Yea, it can get scary. I jumped in to comment because I've fallen prey to the arm of the law for doing such dumb things and I would hate to see others get caught. Also, I used to get my coal from a breaker up in the coal regions of Pa. One time I pulled my old F100 under the chute and the idiot just let it FLY. When I pulled onto the scales, I had 3700 lbs. in the bed! They just laughed at me. I had to drive down to Reading from there, which is a good hour drive. My tires were half flat and hot as hell. Scared me to death and REALLY STUPID!
The next time I told them I would shovel the excess right there on their scales if they overloaded me. I also was only registered as a 1/2 ton passenger car/truck back then. Not good. :sick:
The next time I told them I would shovel the excess right there on their scales if they overloaded me. I also was only registered as a 1/2 ton passenger car/truck back then. Not good. :sick:
An F-250 weighs in with driver and fuel #7500 if gas and #8000 if diesel.
Its not suppose to have #4000 in it.
It will take it i've been that close myself, but not legal.
Its not suppose to have #4000 in it.
It will take it i've been that close myself, but not legal.
Eatonpcat
Minister of Fire
nhredbird said:
True...It's not legal to drive 80 mph either, But I would bet all of you guys that are preaching safety have done it... Common sense is what we should be preaching. Two tons will come home in my F250 at a time.
flynfrfun said:
What is the weight limit on that trailer. I have one similar that says it's good for 1600 punds. I haven't attempted to load it up with a full ton yet.
buildingmaint
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I use my work truck a 2006 Ford F250, I didn't know about the tire pressure things, thanks for the tip. Any way , one ton at a time , dealer is only 1 1/2 miles away. One time when I didn't have access to a truck , I hauled 20 bags in a Dodge Neon, 4 times, it hauled it but it was straining coming up my hill.
checkthisout
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aburress1223
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I used my f-250 to tow a 20 ft. trailer in a business I owned and never really hauled much in the bed. The truck is gas with 6-speed manual. I usually haul 1 ton @ a time. I decided to haul 2 once. It is easier to haul and unload 1 @ a time since the store is only 18 miles from home. The question of how much to haul is not a question of 1/2,3/4 or so on , it is based on tire load range, EW, GVW, tagged weight. Mine is tagged EW 5757, GVW 10,000. so as you can see with a 4,0000 lb. load it was very close and maybe a little over GVW. I was using load range E tires inflated to 70 p.s.i. The chasis, engine and tires handled the load great with minimal squat and good stability. The factory ratings of 1/2, 3/4 ton etc. are not very accurate. Some of the new Ford Rangers have as good GVW ratings as the 1/2 tons of years gone by.
Snowy Rivers
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Got this Piccy a couple years back of Me and the Old "DAHOOOOOLEY" truck.
Two tons of Pellets in the back of the old girl. Its a five mile trip from the store, up the mountain to the ranch.
Now I certainly dont recommend that anyone go tooling off down the freeway with 4000 pounds in the back of a 1 ton pickup, but for a short haul at slow speeds (Max 35 MPH) its no biggy.
A 3/4 ton rig would be best left to doing the 1 ton load and then keeping the speed down.
Single rear wheels is mostly the worry spot IMHO.
A 1/2 ton rig would be really pressed to haul a full ton, as the springs and the tires are simply too light.
My one ton dually has had aftermarket rear springs installed as it was used (before I owned it) to haul a very Large 5'er.
Its all about using some good cautions and keeping the speed down.
One winter, we used the 2500 Suburban 4x4 and hand loaded a full ton of pellets into that beast.
Was a strain on the old girl, but she got it done.
Keep on A TRUCKIN.
Snowy
Two tons of Pellets in the back of the old girl. Its a five mile trip from the store, up the mountain to the ranch.
Now I certainly dont recommend that anyone go tooling off down the freeway with 4000 pounds in the back of a 1 ton pickup, but for a short haul at slow speeds (Max 35 MPH) its no biggy.
A 3/4 ton rig would be best left to doing the 1 ton load and then keeping the speed down.
Single rear wheels is mostly the worry spot IMHO.
A 1/2 ton rig would be really pressed to haul a full ton, as the springs and the tires are simply too light.
My one ton dually has had aftermarket rear springs installed as it was used (before I owned it) to haul a very Large 5'er.
Its all about using some good cautions and keeping the speed down.
One winter, we used the 2500 Suburban 4x4 and hand loaded a full ton of pellets into that beast.
Was a strain on the old girl, but she got it done.
Keep on A TRUCKIN.
Snowy
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tjnamtiw
Minister of Fire
AW1223 said:
I was surprised to read on my son's Chevy Z71 that the towing capacity is downgraded for manual transmissions! I guess it's because you can put more strain on the drive train if you aren't smooth in your shifts.
flynfrfun
Minister of Fire
Millsk said:
It is 1750lbs, 2000GVWR. The trailer weighs 250lbs. I would feel comfortable with 1/2 ton in the future on this trailer (using a different tow vehicle if going onto the highway). The full ton was too much and I don't think it would be a good idea to go anything over 35mph. I could feel the trailer shimmying when I hit 35mph. I have thought of getting better tires which is probably why it was shimmying. The Honda is our only vehicle, so sometimes you just gotta do what you have to do to get things done. I definitely wasn't going to load 10-15bags at a time into the car and make 3-4 trips. I'm fortunate to have a company truck that I am authorized to take home. So that is why we just have one car. But, doing personal errands in the company truck is not something we are allowed to do and I'm not interested in doing anything stupid to jeopardize my job. So, the pellets either get home with the Honda, or I have to have them delivered. Or if buying from HD, I'll use their truck.
Flynfrfun
I just picked up a ton of Somersets in my 1994 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins. It was squating more then those half tons pics. Weird. Guess the springs are a little worn after 400,000 miles. I had a ton in a 1979 F100 one time and broke a spring. Fun stuff. What load range on the tires on the half tons? Thats what scares me. A blow out at 55 with 2000 lbs in the bed is going to be a wild ride.
slls
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JustWood
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Just an FYI.
If a truck has a GVW of 10,000 and the truck weighs 6000 empty does NOT mean that it will axle out properly on the scales with 4000 in the bed. 2500-3000 in the bed loaded as far to the front as possible MAYBE.
You can be fined and or red tag/impounded for certain violations.
Individual tickets can be wrote for:
Overweight on registered GVW
Overweight on stickered GVW
Overweight on each and/or all tires. Overweight on a steer tire is an automatic red tag/impound violation.
Overweight on each and/or all axels.
Just sayin' .
The last overload ticket I got about 8 years ago, I was 5.1% over my registered GVW and the ticket was $2800.
5% on 10,000 GVW is only 500 lbs.
If a truck has a GVW of 10,000 and the truck weighs 6000 empty does NOT mean that it will axle out properly on the scales with 4000 in the bed. 2500-3000 in the bed loaded as far to the front as possible MAYBE.
You can be fined and or red tag/impounded for certain violations.
Individual tickets can be wrote for:
Overweight on registered GVW
Overweight on stickered GVW
Overweight on each and/or all tires. Overweight on a steer tire is an automatic red tag/impound violation.
Overweight on each and/or all axels.
Just sayin' .
The last overload ticket I got about 8 years ago, I was 5.1% over my registered GVW and the ticket was $2800.
5% on 10,000 GVW is only 500 lbs.
I have a NBS 2007 GMC 1500 Sierra crew cab, short bed, Z71. I have hauled 1 ton of pellets a couple of times now. No problems at all.
tjnamtiw
Minister of Fire
........ YETshadow_dog said:
Reference the post above you. States and cities are looking for all the revenues they can get. A big pile of pellets stacked up in the back of your truck is a big red flag. But, hey, it's your money.22 bags was the most I've ever hauled, in a Toyota Camry that is. All I can say that is was quite the ride home!
I think what should be taken away from this thread is that 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton are antiquated terms that should have stopped being used 40 years ago.
My 2010 F-250 would be considered a 3/4 ton. Ford rates it as having a payload of 2910 lbs. It weighs about 6400 lbs. Add the two together and you have a GVW of 9310 lbs. I made the conscious decision to register my truck for 9000 lbs in the state of PA, because the next weight class is a lot more money. So when I'm being loaded, I run out of legal weight in PA before I can run out of what the truck can do according to Ford. I usually haul 3000 lbs at a time. I know I'm overlimit but the truck sits level and I barely know they are back there when I am driving and braking.
See where the 3/4 ton came into the math above? That's right it didn't. AFAIK in PA those terms aren't used for registration, it is all about GVW, other states might actually still use the 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton.
Really at the end of the day you need to check your GVW on the sticker inside the door and use common sense.
My 2010 F-250 would be considered a 3/4 ton. Ford rates it as having a payload of 2910 lbs. It weighs about 6400 lbs. Add the two together and you have a GVW of 9310 lbs. I made the conscious decision to register my truck for 9000 lbs in the state of PA, because the next weight class is a lot more money. So when I'm being loaded, I run out of legal weight in PA before I can run out of what the truck can do according to Ford. I usually haul 3000 lbs at a time. I know I'm overlimit but the truck sits level and I barely know they are back there when I am driving and braking.
See where the 3/4 ton came into the math above? That's right it didn't. AFAIK in PA those terms aren't used for registration, it is all about GVW, other states might actually still use the 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton.
Really at the end of the day you need to check your GVW on the sticker inside the door and use common sense.
quickrch
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I have a single axle trailer and haul 1.5 tons at a time. Made three full trips this summer. 225 bags in the garage. Have a van so no truck bed to fill.
mroletta
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2009 tacoma, and I generally do 35 bags at a time. Thankfully my supply is only about a 10 minute drive from the house.
ssupercoolss
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actually your payload is the registerd GVW-curb weight of the vehicle. if you dont know excactly how much your truck weighs then you are really just guessing at how much you can legally haul. just because the sticker on your truck lists the empty weight as 5000 lbs, that doesnt include the air horns, naked girly mudflaps, and bigger tires and rims everybody loves to put on thier truck. payload also includes passengers. when they weigh you, they do not ask you to "kindly step outside the vehicle".
and exactlee brings up a good point. even though you can haul 4,000 lbs, you can still be overweight on your axles, and your tires. tires have a weight rating on them as well. a 2500 lb trailer is not a 2500 lb trailer if you have two 950 lb rated tires on it. same goes for your truck, car, barbies dream jeep, etc....
what kills me is when you have these landscapers that put an EZ-dump in the back of their F-250 and think they can still haul alot. those things are really heavy. perfect if you wanna haul around pillows. salt spreaders are also really heavy. put one of those big metal ones in the back of your truck and there is no way you can actually fill it up with salt and be legal. we had one of our f-250's get pulled over in the winter with the snowplow on, tailgate spreader, and a pretty good number of bags of salt in the bed. we were really suprised as to how much all that crap weighs. i think it ended up we had to take out all but like 8 bags to make it leagal. and yes it was a big ticket, and no, we were not allowed to drive the truck away until it was under gvw.
it is very easy with trucks today to overload it, and still be within what the truck can do. and then theres just stupid. me and a friend loaded up a u-haul trailer with as many concrete bumper blocks as we could get on it. bumper dragging on the old rusty wagoneer we were pulling it with, but at least the front tires were still on the ground. we didnt even make it out of the parking lot before the hitch broke off. that was stupid.
and exactlee brings up a good point. even though you can haul 4,000 lbs, you can still be overweight on your axles, and your tires. tires have a weight rating on them as well. a 2500 lb trailer is not a 2500 lb trailer if you have two 950 lb rated tires on it. same goes for your truck, car, barbies dream jeep, etc....
what kills me is when you have these landscapers that put an EZ-dump in the back of their F-250 and think they can still haul alot. those things are really heavy. perfect if you wanna haul around pillows. salt spreaders are also really heavy. put one of those big metal ones in the back of your truck and there is no way you can actually fill it up with salt and be legal. we had one of our f-250's get pulled over in the winter with the snowplow on, tailgate spreader, and a pretty good number of bags of salt in the bed. we were really suprised as to how much all that crap weighs. i think it ended up we had to take out all but like 8 bags to make it leagal. and yes it was a big ticket, and no, we were not allowed to drive the truck away until it was under gvw.
it is very easy with trucks today to overload it, and still be within what the truck can do. and then theres just stupid. me and a friend loaded up a u-haul trailer with as many concrete bumper blocks as we could get on it. bumper dragging on the old rusty wagoneer we were pulling it with, but at least the front tires were still on the ground. we didnt even make it out of the parking lot before the hitch broke off. that was stupid.
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