Under Deck Installation

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Hi All!

These are the followup pictures I promised. The installation went great and the first burn of one bag last May had no problems.
I did a clean out and check for any sleeping squirrels. We put in 2 tons of pellets and are ready to start burning regularly Mon.
I will update later in the season to give feedback on any smoke issues on the deck or?
Stove is a Harman P68


 

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ICC pipe?

Looks good.
 
GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
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Code is set by the manufacturer of the stove and pipe manufacturer.

What code is it in violation of?
 
Checkthisout said:
GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
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Code is set by the manufacturer of the stove and pipe manufacturer.

What code is it in violation of?
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Actually no, to be totally pendant code is set by the legal jurisdiction the place is.

The installation has to be in compliance with that as well as what the manufacturers have to say about installation.

So if a town (a legal jurisdiction) says venting must clear all overhanging structures even though the installation may be compliant with the manufacturer's instructions this would not be code compliant in that town. The town's code is stricter than ... this is a not a rare thing to occur when dealing with the thousands of jurisdictions.

Maine is having a good spate of such differing of opinions on fireworks at the moment, the state legalized certain varieties and starting January 1 2012 you can legally buy and use a much broader class of fireworks, many towns are passing local ordinances prohibiting the legal use or sale of them within their jurisdictions. So be very careful where you use those "legal" fireworks in Maine.
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
Checkthisout said:
GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
Click to expand...

Code is set by the manufacturer of the stove and pipe manufacturer.

What code is it in violation of?
Click to expand...

Actually no, to be totally pendant code is set by the legal jurisdiction the place is.

The installation has to be in compliance with that as well as what the manufacturers have to say about installation.

So if a town (a legal jurisdiction) says venting must clear all overhanging structures even though the installation may be compliant with the manufacturer's instructions this would not be code compliant in that town. The town's code is stricter than ... this is a not a rare thing to occur when dealing with the thousands of jurisdictions.

Maine is having a good spate of such differing of opinions on fireworks at the moment, the state legalized certain varieties and starting January 1 2012 you can legally buy and use a much broader class of fireworks, many towns are passing local ordinances prohibiting the legal use or sale of them within their jurisdictions. So be very careful where you use those "legal" fireworks in Maine.
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People need to go to their towns and start fighting to reduce Gov. strong hold. They will control everything they can get away with controlling
 
dmaclaren said:
SmokeyTheBear said:
Checkthisout said:
GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
Click to expand...

Code is set by the manufacturer of the stove and pipe manufacturer.

What code is it in violation of?
Click to expand...

Actually no, to be totally pendant code is set by the legal jurisdiction the place is.

The installation has to be in compliance with that as well as what the manufacturers have to say about installation.

So if a town (a legal jurisdiction) says venting must clear all overhanging structures even though the installation may be compliant with the manufacturer's instructions this would not be code compliant in that town. The town's code is stricter than ... this is a not a rare thing to occur when dealing with the thousands of jurisdictions.

Maine is having a good spate of such differing of opinions on fireworks at the moment, the state legalized certain varieties and starting January 1 2012 you can legally buy and use a much broader class of fireworks, many towns are passing local ordinances prohibiting the legal use or sale of them within their jurisdictions. So be very careful where you use those "legal" fireworks in Maine.
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Wait! , Ever catch yourself saying, "there ought to be a law," Well some one was listening and now we have a Nanny with us cradle to grave.
Will be interesting to see who else has this type of installation and what their experience has been.

People need to go to their towns and start fighting to reduce Gov. strong hold. They will control everything they can get away with controlling
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is that an emergency fire fighting garden hose to the right of the stove?????
 
mascoma said:
is that an emergency fire fighting garden hose to the right of the stove?????
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I thought someone would commit on that. The green hose is an old outside drain for the dehumidifier, we changed our setup so it will not be in use
and is now sealed up.

Just a DIY note on humidity in a unfinished basement: I have a daylight basement that has some finished half walls and stairway area.
The rest is exposed foundation cement walls. I used Behr Basement waterproofing paint on all exposed walls and floor. My humidity level is now 1/4 of what
it was and now can run the dehumidifier on low and only use one for the whole basement. This paint was well worth the money and time, I bought it when Home
Depot does their 5 dollars off per gallon sale twice a year.

I want to let all new Pellet users that are considering installs some of what I did before I installed this stove.
I called all of the following and verified that this type of install would not be an issue:
Insurance Agent, Harman-Verified Regs. on Underdeck Install, Local Fire Marshall, Local Town Inspector,
Checked Local Town Regulations.
I felt it was important to not only read up on regulations but to talk to someone regarding them, sometimes the stories can change!
You can also get a feel as to what the local "mood" is regarding Pellet Stoves and that can give you a heads up on any possible future
problems.
Verify! Verify! Verify!
If anyone in my area wants any details I received from the above authorities, email me.
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
Checkthisout said:
GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
Click to expand...

Code is set by the manufacturer of the stove and pipe manufacturer.

What code is it in violation of?
Click to expand...

Actually no, to be totally pendant code is set by the legal jurisdiction the place is.

The installation has to be in compliance with that as well as what the manufacturers have to say about installation.

So if a town (a legal jurisdiction) says venting must clear all overhanging structures even though the installation may be compliant with the manufacturer's instructions this would not be code compliant in that town. The town's code is stricter than ... this is a not a rare thing to occur when dealing with the thousands of jurisdictions.
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I agree with your argument in principle. I am thinking mechanical installation codes are rarely set by town committees and state codes rarely exceed NFPA which is what the manufacturer of the stove tests to.

All that aside, however, what I was looking for is what specific codes in this guys town or in GrahamInVa town is this vent exit in violation of?
 
:) I have the same pipe and jet cap termination (4")... ICC Excel is a GREAT pipe!!


SHOC
 

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GrahamInVa said:
I'm surprised that termination will pass code. That would not fly around here.
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Is the issue the termination itself or that it is under the deck?

BIH
 
GrahamInVa said:
The issue the inspections would have around here is that if someone was sitting on the deck they could breath in smoke or Co2.
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Not discounting your point, but I bet my Co2 detector would have gone off around the the campfire this weekend. :) And I'm here to talk about it, phew.

I too have an under deck install and am always amazed how little comes out the pipe while up and running. No signs of anything after 1.5 tons last year. No staining or residualy anything.... Now, if I can solve the sun and water damage, I'll be a happy camper. :)
 
lbcynya said:
GrahamInVa said:
The issue the inspections would have around here is that if someone was sitting on the deck they could breath in smoke or Co2.
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Not discounting your point, but I bet my Co2 detector would have gone off around the the campfire this weekend. :) And I'm here to talk about it, phew.

I too have an under deck install and am always amazed how little comes out the pipe while up and running. No signs of anything after 1.5 tons last year. No staining or residualy anything.... Now, if I can solve the sun and water damage, I'll be a happy camper. :)
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Graham it is CO they would be worried about provided they haven't been infiltrated by the EPA idiots.
 
CO2 is no joke. I live with the ill effects of it every day......


On a more related note, I have the same termination, I love the ICC Excel and that looks like the Harman coaxial-wall-pass-through-exhaust-intake-combo-thimble-awesomeness too; Nice work!

I always thought it would be a good idea to terminate under my deck.... LESS SHOVELING!!!

Have you had it inspected yet?
 
What he's trying to say is it is CO (Carbon Monoxide) not CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) that is the issue.
 
yeah, that was a joke
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
lbcynya said:
GrahamInVa said:
The issue the inspections would have around here is that if someone was sitting on the deck they could breath in smoke or Co2.
Click to expand...

Not discounting your point, but I bet my Co2 detector would have gone off around the the campfire this weekend. :) And I'm here to talk about it, phew.

I too have an under deck install and am always amazed how little comes out the pipe while up and running. No signs of anything after 1.5 tons last year. No staining or residualy anything.... Now, if I can solve the sun and water damage, I'll be a happy camper. :)
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Graham it is CO they would be worried about provided they haven't been infiltrated by the EPA idiots.
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oh yea.. douh! Co2 comes out my mouth. lol

I'm not saying the under deck shouldn't be done. I just said it wouldn't fly around here.
 
My concern would be dry leaves etc... catching fire than the deck and home. JMO
 
AVIVIII said:
CO2 is no joke. I live with the ill effects of it every day......


On a more related note, I have the same termination, I love the ICC Excel and that looks like the Harman coaxial-wall-pass-through-exhaust-intake-combo-thimble-awesomeness too; Nice work!

I always thought it would be a good idea to terminate under my deck.... LESS SHOVELING!!!

Have you had it inspected yet?
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Yes it is the exhaust/intake combo. That is required if you are installing in this situation.
We do not have to have any inspection unless we would like the fire marshal check to see if there are any concerns, it is not required.
The requirements with our city and state fire marshal are: Installed according to the manufactures requirements. That is why I made
sure all our measurements were within the manufacture (Harman) installation guidelines and also had it prof. installed.
My insurance company only required me to send them pictures after the install, and of course pay them more money!
Although I was pleased it was not a lot more.

Re. leaves or any blow through debris: We studied this area for the past 4 years, we get no build up of any leaves or snow for that matter.
That is probably why the manufacture requires the deck to be open on 3 sides. This is a plus for our install area, it is easy to access year round,
and no combustibles.
 
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