looking to purchase a woodstove - too many choices

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Hello, I'm new to the forum and have been researching many different stoves.
I'm looking at replacing an older gas buck stove & going back to a wood burner. I grew up cutting firewood & heating the home primarily that way.
Very much looking forward to getting back into it. Here's the question - I've been reading a lot online & visiting with the local dealers ( Pacific Energy, Lopi, Jotul, VC, Harman, Nepoleon, Hearthstone )
some dealers say brand X is junk & work heat - the next guy say's the same thing about brand Z ............. ??? I'm getting a little discouraged. The last place I looked, I happen to loosely know the owner from way back so I thought I'd like to do business with him - he carries Harman & Hearthstone - I was considering the Harman TL300. the other models that caught my attention were the Pacific Energy super27 or the Napoleon 1400 - those two stoves seem very similar to me. One other dealer was selling me hard on the Lopi Endeavor, the thing I didn't care for on that stove was the lack of an ash-pan.

Please share any advice / experience - I hope to make a wise choice that I can be happy with.

KE
 
It may help to get more appropriate advice if we knew the size of your house, layout, etc.

That said, every dealer is going to wave their own flag, but it's just plain bad business to put down another product just because you feel yours is superior. Criticism is not a bad thing but labeling something "junk" to exaggerate minor flaws or discriminate against a price point is a practice that more often than not results in a lost sale anyway, evidenced by your own discouragement.
 
Good suggestions MM.

Also might help to know what total budget you are looking to stay under if there is one and if you need a chimney or new liner installed, if this is going into a fireplace or is freestanding, etc.

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pen
 
oops! Yes, that would help. The total main level Sq.Ft is 1250, the living room where I'm going to put the stove is 625sq.ft with a large open ceiling & loft bedroom.
as far as the budget ? I'd really like to stay under $3000 - hopefully that's not impossible

KE
 
Sounds like you're really doing your homework and for that you are to be congratulated.
Fine people here with some great knowledge and actually usage of many stoves.
It's my opinion that with today's higher efficient stoves that you don't need to worry about having a ash pan.
I clean my out some about once or twice a month..no ash pan...less chance of air leaks btw.
Those stoves you have listed are fine stoves no doubt.
 
I remember when I bought my Endeavor(my last stove) my head was spinning with all the choices out there. The only one I would shy away from in your list is the VC stoves more due to their past issues. Pick out the ones that will be big enough for the area you're heating and let your wife pick out the one she likes(if you're married). :lol:

I wouldn't worry about the ash pan my Endeavor didn't have one and it never bothered me, my Blaze King has an ash pan but I have no plans to use it.
 
Here is the stove I will be replacing & the location it will be going.
 

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Pitchpost,

Welcome to the forum. You've come to the right place. All of the brands you've listed are respectable stove manufacturers. There is a search engine on the site that allows you to search specifically for stove reviews of stoves that you are interested in. However we love to help new guys with their decisions. Are you looking to heat your whole house with the stove? If so what is the square footage of the house? How well insulated is the place? How cold does it get where you live? Budget is an important factor as well.

oops I'm a bit late here. Either way welcome to the forum.
 
Welcome to the Forum. Everybody here kinda leans to the stove they own being the best but most are quick to recommend others that they have seen that people here are satisfied with. We ask a lot of questions but do it because we want you to have a stove you like for a long time and installed safely.

It won't help your decision process but there are a lot of great wood stoves out there these days.
 
These are all good brands. The Lopi Endeavor for example is a first class unit. Don't worry about the lack of the ash pan, they tend to be over-rated. We never use ours. The Napoleon is a good value stove, and it resembles the PE Super 27 because both have an outer convective jacket. But internally their baffle and secondary system is different. The PE has a simpler, tougher design imo.
 
And the Super 27 is built like a tank.
 
I agree everyone has their preference. That being said, I have a Napoleon 1402 insert. I would recommend Napoleon for your wood stove. I would look the 1400 series and 1900 but stay away from the 1100 series (firebox is too small). The price of the Napoleon should fit within your budget as well.

My single suggestion is dont go cheap on the liner. This is important for reliable operation of the stove. My stainless steel insulated liner including installation was greater than $1500. However, I burned a cord and a half last year (first year burning) of 6 month aged Ash and my chimney sweeper only got a little more than a coffee cup of creosote when he swept. This means the liner is always getting sufficiently hot enough to stop creosote buildup and creates a great draft.

I know Jotuls are great stoves and lots of people recommend them here, but they are a bit on the pricey side in my opinion.

My two cents.
 
pitchpost said:
oops! Yes, that would help. The total main level Sq.Ft is 1250, the living room where I'm going to put the stove is 625sq.ft with a large open ceiling & loft bedroom.
as far as the budget ? I'd really like to stay under $3000 - hopefully that's not impossible

KE


Total main level is 1250 sq ft. What is the total sq ft of the house? Is it well insulated or is it drafty? Good windows?

Do you need a liner or re-do a liner? If not, 3 grand is plenty for a new stove.
 
partybob99 said:
I know Jotuls are great stoves and lots of people recommend them here, but they are a bit on the pricey side in my opinion.

Buying stoves are like buying anything else. I can buy a Chevy Cruze to get me to work or I can buy a Chevy Corvette both are built well and get the job done. Different strokes for different folks........
 
And you should see what she uses for an ashtray!
 
Not a bad place to watch a fire burn at all?

What kind of chimney does that gas unit go into now?

pen
 
pen said:
Not a bad place to watch a fire burn at all?

What kind of chimney does that gas unit go into now?

pen

I would be replacing the stove pipe as well, with a quality double wall I would assume.

To answer another question, the total sq.ft is 1250 - with the open cathedral ceiling with loft in one half of the foot print.

Finished basement as well.
 
pitchpost said:
pen said:
Not a bad place to watch a fire burn at all?

What kind of chimney does that gas unit go into now?

pen

I would be replacing the stove pipe as well, with a quality double wall I would assume.

To answer another question, the total sq.ft is 1250 - with the open cathedral ceiling with loft in one half of the foot print.

Finished basement as well.


Pipe/liner/double wall pipe/etc will run you $700-$1500 (depending upon what you need, what you buy, and where you buy it). I'd pencil it in at about $1000 for the install if you do it yourself, unless someone on here knows for sure it can be done cheaper.

With your remaining cash that will eliminate Hearthstone, VC, and Jotul due to cost.

Woodstock is still having their sale, and a Fireview would work well for you.

There is Englander, which has a very affordable line of stoves.

The Napoleon 1400, 1450, and 1900 are in your price range. The 1900 might be too large with its 3 cu ft firebox. Depends upon you insulation.

Pacific Energy True North would fit the budget and might work well for your heating size.

There are other options as well, but that's a start. I would go with a stove with a firebox in the 2-2.5 cu ft range for decent burn times.
 
Also something to look into is burn times.

Do you plan on actually heating your home with this or just warming up the place on a Friday movie night?

A small firebox or hungry stove will get old fast if you have to feed wood into it every 5-6 hours.
 
I had a Quadrafire 3100-ACT with the Queen Ann leg kit (instead of pedestal) for the past 20 years as a primary heat source and based on your location I would recommend that you take a good look at its specs.
20 years ago I paid under $2000 for it plus the stove pipe needed to complete my install.
The reason why I went with this stove and manufacturer was that it was the cleanest burning non cat stove on the market at 1.3 grams of smoke per hour, it also boasted the thickest plate steel of all the stoves I looked at. I now own one of their inserts which tips the scale at 520 pounds.
The 3100-ACT wood stove put out an impressive 50,000 btu's with its 2 cu.ft. firebox, we were ALWAYS warm. The stove consistently gave me enough overnight coals between burns that there was always a perpetual fire available until the ashes got too great that I had to let it cool to clean them out. The air wash would always keep the glass clean.
The stove has good looks, performs very well and there are several impressive options. I noticed that the company no longer offers their doors in solid gold like they used to, now it's just a "pinstripe" of gold.
The company has always been extremely helpful at fulfilling my needs.
Stay away from the ACC versions of their line up and you will have a "real" stove.
Their ACT versions are easy to identify, the combustion levers are always located at the bottom of the appliance.

http://www.quadrafire.com/en/Products/3100-Step-Top-Wood-Stove.aspx

Good luck with your search.
 
BrowningBAR said:
pitchpost said:
pen said:
Not a bad place to watch a fire burn at all?

What kind of chimney does that gas unit go into now?

pen

I would be replacing the stove pipe as well, with a quality double wall I would assume.

To answer another question, the total sq.ft is 1250 - with the open cathedral ceiling with loft in one half of the foot print.

Finished basement as well.


Pipe/liner/double wall pipe/etc will run you $700-$1500 (depending upon what you need, what you buy, and where you buy it). I'd pencil it in at about $1000 for the install if you do it yourself, unless someone on here knows for sure it can be done cheaper.

With your remaining cash that will eliminate Hearthstone, VC, and Jotul due to cost.

Woodstock is still having their sale, and a Fireview would work well for you.

There is Englander, which has a very affordable line of stoves.

The Napoleon 1400, 1450, and 1900 are in your price range. The 1900 might be too large with its 3 cu ft firebox. Depends upon you insulation.

Pacific Energy True North would fit the budget and might work well for your heating size.

There are other options as well, but that's a start. I would go with a stove with a firebox in the 2-2.5 cu ft range for decent burn times.

I should mention that I have just a bit over $3k into my Rangeley and ICC Excel Chimney not including the installer's fee.
 
Welcome to another soon-to-be-happy-woodburner,

Yeah, the roller-coaster-ride of picking out and installing a new stove can be painful. Some people manage to do it gracefully, others of us not so much, but we learn a few things on the way.

Since you're a former woodburner, I assume you've already been concentrating on putting aside seasoned wood for the upcoming burn season, and have at least a few cords split, stacked, under cover.

You've already determined the budget, which is a big piece of the picture. You didn't state whether that was before or after tax credit, and that amount is big enough to be a game-changer. Your climate is cold enough that you can do a significant amount of warming with the stove--however, the cost of NG ought (I would hope!) to be low enough there that you're not going to see a return-on-investment payoff as quickly as some of us in other regions. My stove, chimney, and installation came to around $5--after the credit, it was $3500, a big difference for me, and because stove oil is expensive here, I expected the stove to have paid for itself by the time it's saved me less than 1000 gallons of stove oil. Ended up having to buy firewood for this year, so that's pushing the payoff later, but you get the general picture: the numbers aren't always what they seem.

One approach that people can find helpful is to then decide what's important in terms of material: steel, cast iron, or stone. Having lived with the first two in many stoves over many years, I knew that I wanted stone this time, so that helped narrow down my search. All three have advantages and disadvantages, so this is where a `know thyself' approach comes in handy. Take the time to think over how you live, and what your heating priorities are, and I think you'll find you lean towards one of these. If you want more info about their basic differences, just ask.

The next big question to ask yourself is how you want to use it. You've already stated that you want to heat your home with this, and that's part of it. How about the other possible functions: cooking, baking, heating water? What's your lifestyle? SAHM/D or work-from-home employee/self-employed? Commuter away from the house 50+ hours a week? Will you have any other source of heat, or is this the whole enchilada?

The ask yourself (and your SO/family if you are so blessed) how important esthetics are to you. How much pleasure will you get out of looking at a beautiful stove, and what is a beautiful stove in your eyes? One Well-Known Manufacturer (we all know who I mean) decided that pretty is as pretty does, and their owners clearly agree. Others of us appreciate appearance enough to be willing to load more often that twice a week, and empty ashes twice a season. Only you can answer this question, and it's worth the time to consider it.

How many BTU's, approximately, will you need to heat your house? Look at your previous stove size and gas consumption, consider your house well, determine whether you could significantly cut fuel useage by insulating, beefing up windows, etc. Pick a stove size range based on this (sounds like a mid-size `parlor stove would be your goal here).

How long a firebox do you want? Some people are fine w/cutting wood to 16", others consider that to be more cuts than they want to fuss with, and prefer a 20" split.

How significant is your relationship with the dealer, and knowing that the manufacturer stands behind their stove, spare parts are available?

How important is having a window? How big do you want it?

How many doors do you want? If one, front loading or side loading?

Cat or non-cat is another question that you can use to narrow down your choices. You can find plenty of threads here to discuss the pros and cons. When you find the answers to these questions, you'll see that your choices will start to sort themselves out.

For me, initial budget was not so significant as was the payback question.
I knew I wanted stone, so that narrowed my choices to Hearthstone, Woodstock, and Tuviliki. My budget ruled out the latter.
Some cooking would have been nice, but not my primary reason for getting a stove. If that had been a dealmaker, I would have picked the Fireview.
I wanted something that would help ameliorate oil prices, help heat part of the house, and serve as a just in case backup. I got more than I bargained for in this area when I was forced to go over to heating entirely with wood. I got lucky, and the stove I chose heated my whole house for the rest of the winter.
I liked longer firewood, so that leaned me towards the Hearthstone.
I was impressed, remain impressed, by the Woodstock customer service philosophy, but I had a good relationship with the local Hearthstone dealer, so that didn't factor in as much as it would have if I didn't trust the local dealer to do right by me. I also lacked a truck, time, and tools to do the installation myself, and it was the wrong time of the year to be figuring it all out. I wanted the simplicity of writing the check and letting someone do the install for me.
I knew that the glass viewing area was a big thing to me, and Hearthstone has a beautiful window with a gorgeous view of the secondary burns.
I leaned away from cat a bit because I knew that I might have to burn some marginal wood, and I also knew I'd have teen-things (and their friends) in the house using the stove as well as me, and wanted the simplest operation possible. THose leaned me towards non-cat.
I liked the option of two doors.
This process was not nearly as smooth as I'm making it out to be, but I'm glad I went through the grief of thinking it all out as well as I did, because I've never had any doubts that I picked the right stove for myself as a result. Feel welcome to get on here and obsess about the process. We're wired to find that interesting (see my sig line).
 
Wow! Thanks for all info!! This is great! - I think what I'm considering at this point is the Lopi Endeavor, The Napoleon 1400 or The PE super 27.

I forgot to mention in the opposite side of the home we have an 1980 vintage Buck Stove that has worked well all these years. sounds like the newer more efficient stoves really require well seasoned wood to operate effectively

I'm very much looking forward to getting back in the wood burning world. By that I mean this as been a cabin in the family for years & soon to be our main home.

KE
 
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