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Gasifier

Gasifier

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Okay, I am running into to many things to do and don't think I will have the boiler room finished off soon. So I am going to try to post some of the pictures that I have. I missed quite a few of the steps, but you will get the point. I am not very experienced at posting pictures so be patient. :coolsmile: It may take me a while. The tank was no problem for the neighbors old front loader. Nice old machine. You may recall that I said my neighbor had passed away a year or so back. His wife the year before that. They would always be there for us if anyone on our road needed anything. Well this is his their son and daughter helping me out now by using the machine. I guess that kindness runs in the family. Good people.
 

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Nice plan!

How much does that tank weigh?

What are the dimensions?


I have a walk out basement so it would be easier to get in the house. It could make a nice hydraulic separator instead of my primary/ Secondary manifold.

gg
 
goosegunner said:
Nice plan!

How much does that tank weigh?

What are the dimensions?


I have a walk out basement so it would be easier to get in the house. It could make a nice hydraulic separator instead of my primary/ Secondary manifold.

gg
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Tank weighs in at 975lbs. At least that is what the packing slip said on delivery.
Dimensions are 36" Dia. and 96" length. 108" with the stand on the bottom.
 
I just realized I said that was a Gallion(sp?) front loader. It is not. His old crane is a Gallion. I can not remember the loader make. I will have to look into that. Anyway, it was light weight job for it. He has a large bucket for the front that they use for scrap metal. When we get to much snow I have to ask him if he could move some of my banks back for me. He moves entire snow banks with it that are the size of small cars, only taller. :lol: A great neighbor to have.
 
Hey very cool.

Thats the window you brought the wood gun in right?

Do you have a pics of the wood gun and the piping of it?

I still haven't hooked mine up yet, its still on the pallet in the garage.

My hvac guy is starting to frustrate me a little, he's giving me a cold shoulder(no pun intended).

I'm starting to think I will install it by myself but I haven't a clue how to.

I've studied those stickies but they are a general direction not a full blown detailed plan with everything I could possibly need to know, with every part I need to buy.

But some pictures of yours would be worth a thousand words
 
Hey very cool.
Thats the window you brought the wood gun in right?
Do you have a pics of the wood gun and the piping of it?
I still haven’t hooked mine up yet, its still on the pallet in the garage.
My hvac guy is starting to frustrate me a little, he’s giving me a cold shoulder(no pun intended).
I’m starting to think I will install it by myself but I haven’t a clue how to.
I’ve studied those stickies but they are a general direction not a full blown detailed plan with everything I could possibly need to know, with every part I need to buy.
But some pictures of yours would be worth a thousand words

Take a look at the other post I just did called Wood Gun Boiler and tank pictures. If you want I can try to draw you a diagram, take a picture of it and PM it to you.
 
You are allowed to have a big propane tank IN your house? Why not keep it outside? If it would leak wouldn't that be a HUGE danger?
 
NATE379 said:
You are allowed to have a big propane tank IN your house? Why not keep it outside? If it would leak wouldn't that be a HUGE danger?
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It was an air pressure tank. ASME rated for high pressure and high temperatures. (Still had the tag or plate welded to it.) It is a closed and pressurized system with air seperator equipment installed. Best air seperator is that tank. It had a small port right at the top. Perfect for what the boiler guys wanted to get the air out. I am not worried about it leaking.
 

Mike,
I feel your pain. My plumber left me hanging this time last year, I think he was intimidated. I bought a Tarm solo plus 60 and read their schematics quite a bit until I got a grip on it. Go to Bio Heat USA and you can download their drawings. Asked A LOT of questions from everyone I could. I have some pictures of the finished install.
 

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I am completey confursed. what is the tank for?

Gasifier said:
NATE379 said:
You are allowed to have a big propane tank IN your house? Why not keep it outside? If it would leak wouldn't that be a HUGE danger?
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It was an air pressure tank. ASME rated for high pressure and high temperatures. (Still had the tag or plate welded to it.) It is a closed and pressurized system with air seperator equipment installed. Best air seperator is that tank. It had a small port right at the top. Perfect for what the boiler guys wanted to get the air out. I am not worried about it leaking.
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Briquetmaker my setup looks alot like that, though I have copper piping and I insulated everything. No sense in heating up my boiler room/garage when the heat needs to be elsewhere. Before doing that it would get 70-75* in the garage without the heat in there being on!
 
The tank was a compressed air tank. I am now using it as a storage or buffer tank. It stores the energy from the wood that I burn in the Wood Gun boiler and my system can use it whenever it needs it. Helps to allow your boiler to run wide open all the time pretty much. You burn the amount of wood that you need to keep the boiler and tank up to temperature, all depends on the temperatures outside of course. It helps you in the shoulder seasons, fall and spring, so you can use your wood boiler longer and even in the summer if you want to heat your Domestic Hot Water. I wanted to be able to use wood for heating everything. So the large thermal storage tank made sense for me. Works great. Do you see that briquet maker has a two of the storage tanks as well? His are the two rectangular guys in the picture. Awesome looking system Andy! :wow:
 
Take a look at the other post I just did called Wood Gun Boiler and tank pictures. If you want I can try to draw you a diagram, take a picture of it and PM it to you.[/quote]

Thanks bro that would be helpful. Especially a diagram.

I am very mechanical but not versed in designing a layout.
I've asked my guy to design a system put it on paper with all the parts and details (i would pay him for that) and I would put it together.
Still nothing!!
 
Briquetmaker said:

Mike,
I feel your pain. My plumber left me hanging this time last year, I think he was intimidated. I bought a Tarm solo plus 60 and read their schematics quite a bit until I got a grip on it. Go to Bio Heat USA and you can download their drawings. Asked A LOT of questions from everyone I could. I have some pictures of the finished install.
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WOW!! Now thats what I'm talking about!

That looks incredible.
Don't know what any of it means but it is impressive.
Like I said to gasifier I know I could put it together if I was given a detailed layout.

I have to get this thing running soon!! The OIL PIG has been running for the last two nights and they're are predicting temps in the low 30's here this weekend.

I have 1/2 a tank of oil and really would rather spend the money on parts and labor to hook up the wood gun than buy oil!
 
maple1 said:
Briquetmaker, are those Varm tanks? Or something else? It's going to take me all winter just to figure out a storage solution here.
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Maple1, New storage tanks are expensive. If you or anyone is looking for a storage tank, and wants to save some money, keep your eyes open on ebay for something fairly close. If you search for air tank you can sometimes find a nice ASME rated tank that has only been used for air pressure in a garage or industrial building. Saved me some money and the inside of my tank was as clean as can be. No fumes from former propane storage, etc. If it is fairly close it doesn't cost that much to have it shipped. Here is a link to one if you want to check it out. This is almost exactly like the one I put in. Craigslist is also a possible source as well. Have a good one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-gallon-...104?pt=BI_Air_Compressors&hash=item35b6402648
 
Gasifier said:
maple1 said:
Briquetmaker, are those Varm tanks? Or something else? It's going to take me all winter just to figure out a storage solution here.
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Maple1, New storage tanks are expensive. If you or anyone is looking for a storage tank, and wants to save some money, keep your eyes open on ebay for something fairly close. If you search for air tank you can sometimes find a nice ASME rated tank that has only been used for air pressure in a garage or industrial building. Saved me some money and the inside of my tank was as clean as can be. No fumes from former propane storage, etc. If it is fairly close it doesn't cost that much to have it shipped. Here is a link to one if you want to check it out. This is almost exactly like the one I put in. Craigslist is also a possible source as well. Have a good one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-gallon-...104?pt=BI_Air_Compressors&hash=item35b6402648
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I've been net scrounging for a while - these things are hard to find up here. Good thing I don't need to put this stuff together tomorrow.
 
maple1 said:
Briquetmaker, are those Varm tanks? Or something else? It's going to take me all winter just to figure out a storage solution here.
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Yes they are. I didn't have time to fool around with tanks. Just wanted to get it done.
 
Why don't you guys use water heaters instead? They are insulated really well, wouldn't that work better than a huge tank that isn't insulated or DIY insulated?
 
NATE379 said:
Why don't you guys use water heaters instead? They are insulated really well, wouldn't that work better than a huge tank that isn't insulated or DIY insulated?
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Most folks couldn't afford to lose the floor space that would be needed for the required volume of storage. Many here using 1000 gal of storage, thats alot of hot water tanks & alot of floor space. Not to mention the piping, pumping & contols to charge & discharge all of those tanks in a way that maximizes the stored Btu's. That's a big reason why many favor 1 or 2 large tanks.
 
True but lets say 2 80 gal water heaters hold the heat in teh water as well at 1 500 gal non-insulated tank... wouldn't that work out better?

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just really curious. I guess I don't fully understand what the huge tank of water is achieving.
 
Storage- to allow users to burn their units flat out at max eff (no burn & smolder) & store all the energy for later use on an as needed basis by the structures being heated. In all/most cases the storage is well insulated (think R40 or better) after it has been tested for leaks etc.
 
NATE379 said:
True but lets say 2 80 gal water heaters hold the heat in teh water as well at 1 500 gal non-insulated tank... wouldn't that work out better?

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just really curious. I guess I don't fully understand what the huge tank of water is achieving.
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But the thing is that two 80 gallon water heaters cannot hold the same amount of heat as a 500 gallon tank... I see what you are getting at with the heat loss on the tanks, and you are right, bare tanks need to be insulated. However, the amount of BTUs that you can store in water is increased by the amount of the water you have.

Think of it like taking a really really really long shower. Could you take a longer shower if you were drawing from the two 80 gallon tanks, or the 500 gallon tank?

The huge tank of water lets the boiler fire for a longer period of time at full fire instead of cycling on/off whenever there is a load. This increases the efficiency of the burn and allows for some leeway in when the boiler has to be reloaded, which helps if you arent home to feed the boiler all day.
 
Gasifier said:
maple1 said:
Briquetmaker, are those Varm tanks? Or something else? It's going to take me all winter just to figure out a storage solution here.
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Maple1, New storage tanks are expensive. If you or anyone is looking for a storage tank, and wants to save some money, keep your eyes open on ebay for something fairly close. If you search for air tank you can sometimes find a nice ASME rated tank that has only been used for air pressure in a garage or industrial building. Saved me some money and the inside of my tank was as clean as can be. No fumes from former propane storage, etc. If it is fairly close it doesn't cost that much to have it shipped. Here is a link to one if you want to check it out. This is almost exactly like the one I put in. Craigslist is also a possible source as well. Have a good one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-gallon-...104?pt=BI_Air_Compressors&hash=item35b6402648
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That a great find on the tank. I tried looking when I started and didn't really find anything like that. Very ambitious project, shoehorning that thing into your basement. Nice job.
 
That a great find on the tank. I tried looking when I started and didn’t really find anything like that. Very ambitious project, shoehorning that thing into your basement. Nice job.

Thanks Andy. It was not as cheap as some of the deals I have seen guys on here get on used propane, but I liked the idea I could stand it up. That left me a lot more floor space in the boiler room. I like to have room to move around and this way I had plenty and could leave my sink in there as well. That is an awesome set up you have there. Have a good one.
 
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