GolfandWoodNut said:Right now they are finding so much Natural Gas in PA and surrounding states that it could easily get us off of foreign oil if the government and big oil companies would put a push on to convert cars to run off of it. We have the Saudi Arabia of natural gas right here. We have leased or land and I will not even know when they drill because the well will not be on my property since they can drill laterally now over a mile down. I understand the wells produce for 30 to 40 years.
The ultimate answer is hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. It is everywhere, we have oceans full of it, and when you burn it, it turns back into water. I cannot believe that no one has figured an inexpensive way to convert water into hydrogen. Supposedly people have and some of them have been found dead. You don't think the big oil companies would like us to put water in our tanks do you?
CTYank said:GolfandWoodNut said:Right now they are finding so much Natural Gas in PA and surrounding states that it could easily get us off of foreign oil if the government and big oil companies would put a push on to convert cars to run off of it. We have the Saudi Arabia of natural gas right here. We have leased or land and I will not even know when they drill because the well will not be on my property since they can drill laterally now over a mile down. I understand the wells produce for 30 to 40 years.
The ultimate answer is hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. It is everywhere, we have oceans full of it, and when you burn it, it turns back into water. I cannot believe that no one has figured an inexpensive way to convert water into hydrogen. Supposedly people have and some of them have been found dead. You don't think the big oil companies would like us to put water in our tanks do you?
Not to rain on your parade, but ...
"Fracking" to extract gas from Marcellus shale is not all that rosy. The chemicals that are forced into the shale at enormous pressure are a secret. Cheney & friends gave that away years back. There are now serious questions about gross overestimation of gas reserves in deep shales.
Hydrogen is NOT found in elemental or molecular H2 form. Being so reactive, it's found as molecules composed of many different subsances. Meaning, LOTS of energy will have to be input to extract the hydrogen. Water is the byproduct of burning H2 and O2.
Hydrogen gas is extremely difficult to contain- molecule size of H2 is such that it will escape through extremely small brazing imperfections at tube joints.
Hydrogen is also extremely dangerous- concentrations ranging from 5-95% in air can be ignited. This fact really raised the pucker-factor of crew in diesel subs while charging batteries. (Nearing full charge, H2 evolution rate soared.)
Panaceas and conspiracy-theories are stuff for Popular Mechanics vice Scientific American.
Good comments Bill. All we have to do is look at the Sun as a hydrogen power source that can burn for billions of years. As I understand it every element came from Hydrogen and that is why it is the most abundant element. As I understand it cars that can burn both Hyrdogen and gasoline are already in production and there is no loss of power with Hydrogen. And enviromentally it does not have the waste products. The whole key is having the oil companies build pumping stations for natural gas and hydrogen. Exxon has already purchased a large natural gas company and they know it is the future as does Boone Pickens (he has a Green Gas Company and pushing hard for government acceptance by both parties).billjustbill said:CTYank said:GolfandWoodNut said:Right now they are finding so much Natural Gas in PA and surrounding states that it could easily get us off of foreign oil if the government and big oil companies would put a push on to convert cars to run off of it. We have the Saudi Arabia of natural gas right here. We have leased or land and I will not even know when they drill because the well will not be on my property since they can drill laterally now over a mile down. I understand the wells produce for 30 to 40 years.
The ultimate answer is hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. It is everywhere, we have oceans full of it, and when you burn it, it turns back into water. I cannot believe that no one has figured an inexpensive way to convert water into hydrogen. Supposedly people have and some of them have been found dead. You don't think the big oil companies would like us to put water in our tanks do you?
Not to rain on your parade, but ...
"Fracking" to extract gas from Marcellus shale is not all that rosy. The chemicals that are forced into the shale at enormous pressure are a secret. Cheney & friends gave that away years back. There are now serious questions about gross overestimation of gas reserves in deep shales.
Hydrogen is NOT found in elemental or molecular H2 form. Being so reactive, it's found as molecules composed of many different subsances. Meaning, LOTS of energy will have to be input to extract the hydrogen. Water is the byproduct of burning H2 and O2.
Hydrogen gas is extremely difficult to contain- molecule size of H2 is such that it will escape through extremely small brazing imperfections at tube joints.
Hydrogen is also extremely dangerous- concentrations ranging from 5-95% in air can be ignited. This fact really raised the pucker-factor of crew in diesel subs while charging batteries. (Nearing full charge, H2 evolution rate soared.)
Panaceas and conspiracy-theories are stuff for Popular Mechanics vice Scientific American.
With the right combination of technology and materials, all kinds of "fuel", and even processing their waste by-products (Wood Pellets from furniture manufacturing), can be made.
Considering the need for cheaper fuels and power, Hydrogen has it potential, just like gases of Propane and others. The key is not to "write-off" its future just because the technology isn't ready. With the advent of lightweight and strong carbon fiber storage tanks, progress is being made to even store compressed air for powering air motors....
Maybe a good example of technology and potential is Aluminum. When Aluminum ore was discovered it was so expensive to process, it was worth more than gold; rich people had their wedding rings made from it. When technology caught up with processing the abundance of the metal, and saw its expanding applications, today Aluminum's cost is so low, that even high quality scrap only sells for .71 cents a pound.
How Hydrogen will be use, only Time and Technology will tell.
GolfandWoodNut said:They already have hydrogen cars, it is liquid form, not any more dangerous as other fuels as I understand. My son is working in the gas business here and I can tell you it is booming business.
BeGreen said:GolfandWoodNut said:They already have hydrogen cars, it is liquid form, not any more dangerous as other fuels as I understand. My son is working in the gas business here and I can tell you it is booming business.
Hmmm, maybe not the best choice of adjective in this context... but very funny none the less. :lol:
GolfandWoodNut said:Right now they are finding so much Natural Gas in PA and surrounding states that it could easily get us off of foreign oil if the government and big oil companies would put a push on to convert cars to run off of it. We have the Saudi Arabia of natural gas right here. We have leased or land and I will not even know when they drill because the well will not be on my property since they can drill laterally now over a mile down. I understand the wells produce for 30 to 40 years.
The ultimate answer is hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. It is everywhere, we have oceans full of it, and when you burn it, it turns back into water. I cannot believe that no one has figured an inexpensive way to convert water into hydrogen. Supposedly people have and some of them have been found dead. You don't think the big oil companies would like us to put water in our tanks do you?
blades said:Just think Hindenburg
BeGreen said:GolfandWoodNut said:They already have hydrogen cars, it is liquid form, not any more dangerous as other fuels as I understand. My son is working in the gas business here and I can tell you it is booming business.
Hmmm, maybe not the best choice of adjective in this context... but very funny none the less. :lol:
GolfandWoodNut said:...By the way, I have city water so I have abosultely no fear of water problems....
GolfandWoodNut said:JimboM the water supply comes from the township they don't seem worried.
I am with you LIJack, many people that are against this are jealous or just tree huggers that are against most anything (don't cut a tree down we will be out of them, I can hardly see the sky where I live, I have more fear of trees falling on my house). The gas is here and more than we can imagine, this is putting alot of people to work and could get us off of foreign oil. Hydrogen and renewal energy is the more distant future, but lets get off of foreign oil
FirewoodMan said:My dream is to own a wood-powered car. Gives "warming up the car" a whole new meaning...
We use essential cookies to make this site work, and optional cookies to enhance your experience.