Scary Fire In The Stainless Liner

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Hinterlander

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Dec 5, 2005
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Mid-Michigan
We had a Lopi Revere insert installed in November, 2005 in a Heatilator EC42 prefab firebox. The flu is double wall 8" steel with a 24' insulated 6" liner running the length to the top. I clean the stainless liner each year with fiberglass rods and a 6" round brush. We've always used only dry firewood, but this year I used some less than perfectly dry ash to start the season. Early this morning, my wife tried to restart the fire and put some cardboard in the firebox to help it get started. Within 15 or 20 minutes, she woke me up telling me we had a chimney fire. I opened the door, opened the smoke bypass and saw a flickering yellow flame coming from up inside the liner, then immediately shut the door, closed the damper to shut off any air.

After the subtle roaring went down, I pulled the surround off and inspected where the liner attaches to the stove. There was a pile of black granular chunks piled up around the back of the stove on the floor of the fireplace, maybe a couple inches high around the back of the stove. I felt the liner and it was pretty hot, but I could touch it, so the fire must have been three or four feet up in the liner. My only guess is that this stuff came from between the liner and the old 8" pipe, but I didn't seen any piled up on the top of the stove, where I would think if it was coming down from the 8" pipe it would pile up first.

Looking at the specs for the liner, I see that it's rated for 2100 degrees. I want to have the chimney inspected now by a licensed sweep with a camera.

My question: Has anyone had this happen out there? If so, what did you do to resolve? Could that fire have damaged the liner?
 
It's possible that your sweeping is not getting everything and some glaze formed. Or perhaps the wood burned last spring was not fully dry and that is when the buildup started?

You have a good plan. Have the liner looked at by a certified sweep and go by his recommendation. It could be ok, especially if rigid liner. Was the chimney and damper area cleaned thoroughly before installing a liner?
 
Thanks for the response Green..

I contacted the installer today, and he came by this afternoon. He climbed up on the roof to get a peek down the chimney, then looked behind the insert enclosure and told me the liner is fine. He said the stuff at the bottom of the firebox (outside the insert) was likely from me cleaning the liner. I also found out he DID NOT insulate my liner when he installed it. He said he has been doing this for 30 years and since my chimney is completely enclosed with a wooden chase, the insulation is not necessary - not so sure about that at all. I don't think he did much cleaning of the 8" double wall before he installed the liner.

The wet wood is now on top of next (2012/2013) year's wood supply to get good and dry over next summer. I brought in some dry stuff and checked moisture content at 8% to about 16% according to my Harbor Freight cheapo moisture sensor.

This was a lesson - NEVER EVER wet wood in my insert again! That little episode totally freaked me out.
 
The insulated liner might have kept the flue gases hotter which might have avoided this incident. When the customer asks for an insulated liner that is what they should get, not just an opinion.
 
4 of the last 4 (this included) chimney fires that I have heard details about all involved cardboard.

Glad everything turned out OK.

pen
 
This was a lesson - NEVER EVER wet wood in my insert again! That little episode totally freaked me out.

And watch the cardboard...gets hot quick.
md
 
Hmmm, I save all my cardboard and cut into strips for kindling. I have been under the assumption that this is OK.
 
How much are we talking about? 2 small strips or 2 square feet?
 
pen said:
4 of the last 4 (this included) chimney fires that I have heard details about all involved cardboard.

Glad everything turned out OK.

pen

Make that 5 out of 5. A friend in my town tossed an empty pizza box into his stove and ended up with a roaring chimney fire. There was no SS Liner in his flue, but he installed one after the fire.
 
Three or four strips that are about 6" long by 1" wide and real skinny.
 
I'm intrigued, cardboard is paper glued together isn't it? Why is cardboard more dangerous then paper? Are people putting that much more cardboard in compared to paper?
 
Yep, the installer said no more cardboard - same thing you guys mentioned about #1 cause of chimney fires, pizza boxes are creosote igniters, expecially with a Lopi and it's wonderful smoke bypass.

Running with 12% moisture 2 year seasoned Oak and Mulberry right now, but watching it like a hawk.
 
Hinterlander said:
Yep, the installer said no more cardboard - same thing you guys mentioned about #1 cause of chimney fires, pizza boxes are creosote igniters, expecially with a Lopi and it's wonderful smoke bypass.

Running with 12% moisture 2 year seasoned Oak and Mulberry right now, but watching it like a hawk.

Last year was our first full year starting fires without any paper, read some of the same stuff on here near the end of our first year burning.


zap
 
Chimney fires inside a liner do not leave burned creosote outside of the liner behind the stove. Period. That liner finally got hot enough to set off the crud left in the chimney when the liner was installed.
 
BrotherBart said:
Chimney fires inside a liner do not leave burned creosote outside of the liner behind the stove. Period. That liner finally got hot enough to set off the crud left in the chimney when the liner was installed.

Absolutely.
 
Chettt said:
It seems odd that you would have a chimney fire no matter what you've burned this year.


I agree with this and BeGreen's remarks about missing a spot when cleaning the chimney. There is no way you could have had a chimney fire based on whatever build up you might have had at this point.
 
It's clean now!
 
Stupid question.....I have a the usual brick and mortar fireplace with as insert....fully lined to the cap....what would happen if this same incident happened at my home, and nobody was here ???....we do load it up, and leave everyday before leaving for work.....and a lot of my wood this year is questionable. Is there a good chance the house would burn ???....I thought having it lined to the top, and the regular flue, brick and mortar type fireplace, I'd be pretty safe
 
Use a paint can full of TSP once a week on a hot bed of coals .
The TSP will turn the glaze in your pipe to cleanable, removable ash.
 
doug60 said:
Use a paint can full of TSP once a week on a hot bed of coals .
The TSP will turn the glaze in your pipe to cleanable, removable ash.

Could you please elaborate? A paint can full? I have heard something about the use of TSP before.
 
Been starting fires for over 30 years with paper and never a problem, you have to have creosote to have a chimney fire so the way yu burn is the problem not the cardboard.
 
oldspark said:
Been starting fires for over 30 years with paper and never a problem, you have to have creosote to have a chimney fire so the way yu burn is the problem not the cardboard.

Doubt you've filled the firebox to the brim plus w/ flames from that either. The worst time of year for this is coming soon as people try to get rid of Christmas wrapping paper and cardboard packaging in the stove.

pen
 
pen said:
oldspark said:
Been starting fires for over 30 years with paper and never a problem, you have to have creosote to have a chimney fire so the way yu burn is the problem not the cardboard.

Doubt you've filled the firebox to the brim plus w/ flames from that either. The worst time of year for this is coming soon as people try to get rid of Christmas wrapping paper and cardboard packaging in the stove.

pen
Not sure what you mean, I am talking about starting fires not using the wood burner as a burn barrel, the flames from the wood go up around the baffle now so not sure why the cardboard would be so much worse, you still have to have a dirty chimney for a fire.
 
True, but usually the folks w/ a dirty chimney have wood that is not seasoned and wouldn't be licking around the baffle. For many, the first real fire they ever have in the stove is when they use it as a burn barrel and then that creosote lights off. Had they just used a modest amount like you do, then they probably would keep going w/out a problem even w/ creosote in the pipe.

pen
 
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