Rethinking the wood heat thing...

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jc5922

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Nov 8, 2011
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East Kentucky
So I've got a couple more leads on some good inserts. I found a last years Lennox Performer c210 with blower and surround, floor model, for $1250. That's a steal(especially considering that it's less than 10 minutes from my house). I've found away to solve the overhang issue with my hearth not being flush with my opening. I've also got about 2 and 3/4 inches extra height for an offset box to move the flue back to the chimney opening. I've found two boxes that wil fit so far. It'll be a REALLY tight fit, but should work. Second stove is the Quadra Fire 2700i that's about 6 hours away. The guy finally emailed me back, and they still have it, used for 2 seasons, and he's asking $995 and will negotiate. I'm just trying to verify that's what the stove really is. He said the overall height is 22 which won't fit, but I'm trying to get a side pic of the unit to see if the front hangs down like the manuls says it does.

But after reading more and more on here, I'm starting to rethink this whole thing. I've got a 2000+ sq ft house, split level, with a walk out basement. Insert will go in one end of the the basement(fully finished with celotex styrofoam insulation between the block and drywall, not the best, but better than plain block), directly under the upstairs living room and kitchen. Bedrooms are all upstairs on the other end of the house.. The room that it will go in is about 400 sq ft, give or take hundred. What I was really counting on helping the most was the fact that cold air return on my heat pump is only about 15ft front the front of where the insert would go. I had planned on that helping circulate the warm air thru out the house, but most on here seem to think that it doesn't work very well. I'm just wondering if this insert will really save my that much doing the winter heating months. All electric house with a 3 ton, 14 seer, 8.0hspf new heat pump. Last summer electric bills were $250 to $350. Fall and Spring it runs $125 to $200. Winter, it ranges from $400 to well over $600. Any input on whether this is worth the money to me and if it is, if both stoves will fit, which is better, the QuadraFire or the Lennox C-210? Thanks again for the input.
 
Why not put the stove in the living room?
 
Hi - My only "expertise" about this subject comes only from the time I've spent on the forums,,,from what little I know I would have to agree that it seems like a lot of expense and hassle for what others have projected as very little gain.

My long way of saying...

+1

Littlalex
suffering from typing tourettes
 
Yes i agree. Your house layout is exactly the same as a buddy of mine split level. He has a pellet stove insert in his living room. Not sure if you have the fire place or flue, but put it there and the whole upstairs stays toasty.
 
If it were me and in my home, I'd do it if you spend time down in this room. For the price of either unit, even if you can't heat your house 24/7 they will be in there for years and years. I love burning wood and even if I couldn't heat my house I would have a nice unit in a place where I could enjoy it. If 24/7 burning doesn't work, no reason that you can't keep just a few cord on hand for enjoying the fire in times it is really cold / you want ambiance / power's out / whatever.

Just because it won't take your heating bills to zero, doesn't mean that it won't help at all. If that unit lasts you 10 years (which it should at the VERY least), you are looking at a cost of probably 150 bux a year spread out of 10 years to pay for what you are looking at. Even in a poor circumstance you'll be able to recoup that out of your heat bill in the winter. Even in an absolute worst case scenario (which I don't see happening) that you can't recoup that minimal yearly investment then you still have something fun to heat that room w/ and watch from time to time. I've paid a lot more for things I use a lot less.

I say do it, but that's just my 2cents.

pen
 
Yes, I have a seperate fireplace upstairs, the dimensions are a little better, but not much. The problem with that is it's at the opposite end of the house from the bedrooms. The wife freezes all the time, especially at night. The thermostat for the heat pump is about 20 ft from the upstairs fireplace. I'm afraid if I out it there, the far end parts of the house will get cold, plus the basement wouldn't have much heat at all.
 
We have the exact same house design as you, except ours is 1742 sqft. We are electric resistance heat. Cost is about .12 c per kwh. Stove is in the walk out basement. Our jan, feb electric bills are about $250 burning 24/7.
It is true that the bedrooms dont get too much help from the stove, but it is enough to keep them in the 50's without electric.
The stove not only paid for itself in pess than 2 seasons, but also keeps us warm when the inevitable power failure hits (last week was the most recent).
I beleive the split level design lends itself well to heating with wood. Our basement rarely gets over 76. The kitchen upstairs is usually 10 degrees cooler and the 3 beds down the hall are another 10 degrees cooler.

We considered a mini sPlit heat pumP this year, but i think that would take substantially longer to recoup the cost.
Got a metal roof instead.

Your results will obviously differ from mine, but I bet youd
Be happy in the long run
 
pen said:
If it were me and in my home, I'd do it if you spend time down in this room. For the price of either unit, even if you can't heat your house 24/7 they will be in there for years and years. I love burning wood and even if I couldn't heat my house I would have a nice unit in a place where I could enjoy it. If 24/7 burning doesn't work, no reason that you can't keep just a few cord on hand for enjoying the fire in times it is really cold / you want ambiance / power's out / whatever.

Just because it won't take your heating bills to zero, doesn't mean that it won't help at all. If that unit lasts you 10 years (which it should at the VERY least), you are looking at a cost of probably 150 bux a year spread out of 10 years to pay for what you are looking at. Even in a poor circumstance you'll be able to recoup that out of your heat bill in the winter. Even in an absolute worst case scenario (which I don't see happening) that you can't recoup that minimal yearly investment then you still have something fun to heat that room w/ and watch from time to time. I've paid a lot more for things I use a lot less.

Just my 2cents.

pen

I'm trying to take all of this into consideration. I have quite a few wooded acres...I love the outdoors...and I love my chainsaws. Honestly, If it would save me 2 or 3 hundred bucks a year, I'd be happy with the money part. Otherwie, I can burn wood in me crappy prefab fireplaces...at least I can open the doors and pull the chains and lsiten to it burn(and suck all my warm heat pump air out). I'd like to burn 24/7, just to see what it would really do. I'm curious as to how much of the heat would just rise to the top level of the house anyway.
 
Only one way to find out :cheese:

pen
 
jc5922 said:
pen said:
If it were me and in my home, I'd do it if you spend time down in this room. For the price of either unit, even if you can't heat your house 24/7 they will be in there for years and years. I love burning wood and even if I couldn't heat my house I would have a nice unit in a place where I could enjoy it. If 24/7 burning doesn't work, no reason that you can't keep just a few cord on hand for enjoying the fire in times it is really cold / you want ambiance / power's out / whatever.

Just because it won't take your heating bills to zero, doesn't mean that it won't help at all. If that unit lasts you 10 years (which it should at the VERY least), you are looking at a cost of probably 150 bux a year spread out of 10 years to pay for what you are looking at. Even in a poor circumstance you'll be able to recoup that out of your heat bill in the winter. Even in an absolute worst case scenario (which I don't see happening) that you can't recoup that minimal yearly investment then you still have something fun to heat that room w/ and watch from time to time. I've paid a lot more for things I use a lot less.

Just my 2cents.

pen

I'm trying to take all of this into consideration. I have quite a few wooded acres...I love the outdoors...and I love my chainsaws. Honestly, If it would save me 2 or 3 hundred bucks a year, I'd be happy with the money part. Otherwie, I can burn wood in me crappy prefab fireplaces...at least I can open the doors and pull the chains and lsiten to it burn(and suck all my warm heat pump air out). I'd like to burn 24/7, just to see what it would really do. I'm curious as to how much of the heat would just rise to the top level of the house anyway.

So is this heat pump used in conjunction with a forced air furnace? (I assume)
If so why not consider a wood burning furnace?


http://www.blazeking.com/EN/furnace-apex.html
 
IMHO you would have better results putting it upstairs. You can blow the colder air from the bedrooms towards the insert, the insert will in turn be pusing the warmer air, with its blower, to replace it. Now it may not save you all of your heating bills, but I bet it would save you quite a bit, and the payback will be within a few years, and then its all gravy. If you really need to suplement the heat in the farthest room a good oil filled heater on a timer along with the insert would cost you less than running the heat pump. But I am biased I love heating with wood.
 
No furnance, just the heat pump/central AC. Just curious, but has anyone ever had any real success moving warm air thru out the house using the cold air return?

Any suggestions between the 2 stoves in my first post? Thanks Again, I've really enjoyed all the good reads here.
 
Me personally for the price difference I would go with the new one that is 10 mins away. The other is 6 hours away so that is a 12 hour trip and a ton of time and fuel. The other is 10 minutes away, I am assuming being a floor model, you still get the warranty. I would save the 12 hours and spend the 250 bucks for the one from the store. That is all else being equal, which I don't know about how they each perform.

If you really want a comparison I would start a new thread with the header saying this stove vs. that stove. Then ask for feedback, then users of those stoves would be more likely to chime in.
 
1. I have yet to make much of a dent in my heating bill, but the house is warmer (for about the same money as before), and I can weather a power outage wayyy better than my old fireplace.

2. I get to hang around on this forum.

3. I have an excuse to buy more toys (chainsaws, trucks, trailers, etc etc etc)

4. I'll not repost my rants on the benefits of wood burning as it pertains to raising my children, a search may find it.

Soooo, what was it that Pen posted up the page a bit?... "only one way to find out"???...+1 (start small/cheap and work up if it seems to be proving its value)
 
Dont forget about a pellet stove for the upstairs.. Just another option you can put anywhere you can cut a hole through the wall ..
 
jc5922 said:
[ I have quite a few wooded acres...I love the outdoors...and I love my chainsaws.
You need a stove.
 
jc5922 said:
No furnance, just the heat pump/central AC. Just curious, but has anyone ever had any real success moving warm air thru out the house using the cold air return?
I have tryed using the just the fan on the central heating system. It makes little or no difference.
Put the stove or insert where you spend most of your time, you will find you will enjoy hanging out there a lot more.
 
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