New Oslo owner

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pyrojoe

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Oct 18, 2011
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Central Indiana
I've been reading this site for a while now, but have been slow to post. All the information is great. It's great reading about people as nutty as I am about burning wood. Anyways, this is our first winter in our new house (new to us). It is my fourth winter heating with wood. Previously I had a Lopi insert, I think from early 90's. It appeared to use some of the EPA tech (one secondary tube in front), but didn't really burn "clean". My new setup behaves much differently and I though I should take advantage of the wealth of knowledge here and get some input/advice. Some background: I bought my oslo used, though it is only a few years old. I've had the top off, baffle and secondary unit all out of the stove, due to it being moved around a lot before the install (to lighten it up some). The secondary, I actually removed because I noticed the cement was loose on one side where it seals to the back so I remove just to reseal with cement and reinstall. All appears sealed well, and my secondaries are functioning good. I removed the old 8" triple wall chimney and put in 6" Selkirk Metalbest double wall. I'm also using the Selkirk double wall stove pipe - about 15' and 5' respectively. I love the Oslo already although it hasn't been cold enough yet to give it a real test. I think it's going to work out great. Question 1: After loading I leave the primary open 100% until the stove top temp (at the corners per the manual) is around 400-450 or so and then begin backing it off gradually. I start getting pretty nervous when things really get kicking in the firebox. I fear that the flue temps may be getting out of hand because the draft sounds so strong. It's hard to tell with the double wall what's really going on. I've went in the attic and the chimney is not too hot. Is the roaring fire with open primary normal? I've experienced one brief chimney fire and the sound reminds me of it...so I'm a little gun shy. I've yet to get my temps up over 500 because I'm quick to shut it down as I don't want my flue too hot. My previous install was into a masonry chimney with a stainless, insulated liner. This is my first experience with exposed stove pipe and a manufactured chimney. I may just be more exposed to the sound. Do I need to get a probe thermometer or am I overreacting? Question 2: My oslo didn't have the bottom heat shield. My hearth pad is flush with the wood floor and from the joists up consists of 5/8" plywood decking, 2, 1/2" layers of durarock, 1/4" of thinset and 3/8" slate. The slate gets way hotter than I expected. I don't have an IR thermometer, but getting a rough estimate with the stove top thermometer I'm guessing it's over 200F. At it's hottest I cannot hold my hand on it. I've been using a small fan blowing under the stove and this keeps things cool. I've considered just getting some sheet metal and making a small shield. I hate to pay $100 when I think the protection I need is minimal if any. What do you guys think? I just know i cannot chance having a fire in the crawl space.

Sorry for the long post...look forward to the replies.
 
Random thoughts . . .

Welcome to hearth.com.

Welcome fellow Oslo Owner.

Big question . . . matte black, blue-black or some other enamel color? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm afraid you are mistaken . . . we are not nutty . . . we are perfectly normal . . . it's the other 99% of folks out there who are nuts for thinking it's a great idea to pay $3.56 or whatever it is these days for oil or propane.

I wouldn't worry too much about your temps in the flue . . . what I've found is that there is a correlation (but not a direct correlation) in the temps of the stove and the flue . . . at first when I get the fire going and have the air open all the way the flue temp is hot . . . eventually when I shut the door and then start to close down the air as the stove top temp comes up I find the flue temp either stabilizes or even goes down a dite . . . rarely it goes up a bit . . . but most typically it stabilizes or drops.

If you truly are concerned a Condar probe thermometer is a relatively cheap and easy to install device . . . truthfully I love my probe . . . I use it all the time in determining how to adjust the air control.

As for the heat shield . . . I do not have a definitive answer as I did break down and buy the bottom heat shield. If memory serves me right though the Oslo only requires ember protection . . . but the bottom heat shield was/is a standard installation. I might either break down and buy one if I were you . . . or if you are handy with some sheet metal mount up your own as it is relatively simple affair. I will say that even with the bottom heat shield and the wonderful ash pan my slate can get mighty warm . . . warm enough that I may not stand on the slate for very long.
 
Blue-black. I've had it for almost a year, saw the deal when we were about to close on the house last winter. It's been killing me just sitting waiting for a fire to be lit in it. Then I had a sweep come out and inspect the old chimney before I fire it up and decided to replace it. I've only been burning for a week or so. It's bad when you want it to get cold outside so you can see what your stove can do. 50's and rainy the next few days :long:

As for the flue...like I said, the roaring kinda brings back some scary feelings. I don't like the thought of flames shooting up the pipe for long. I'm seriously considering a probe thermometer. I just hate to put a 1/4" hole in my new pipe! That and there was a pretty long debate about their accuracy on this forum. For the shield, does it just mount with the two bolts or is there an additional spacer?
 
Have you carefully checked the doors and the ash pan door for tightness by doing the dollar bill test? The stove will build up in temperature as the fire gets fully involved, but the flue temp usually will go down when the air is closed down. Note a probe thermometer gets a smaller hole in the inner wall. I would get the older style Condar which appears to be more accurate. Sometimes you can find them new on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Condar-Flue...663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6b78e6b7
 
Jotul Oslo manual says only ember protection is required....I haven't calculated your R value for your hearth, and you may want to do that, but I'm thinking you've got quite a margin of error/insulation between the stove bottom and the combustible floor.

I think the sound you hear is amplified by the flames licking up into the secondary chamber. I hear it when getting my Castine up to secondary temps also. Personally, I sort of like the sound. It might even be doing us some good by incinerating any accumulated creosote in the bottome of the connector, in a controlled way. Burn dry wood and let 'er rip, I say!
 
Thanks ploughboy. I wrote the comments below before I saw your post. I'll post them anyways. I think the R-value is around 1. I've felt the bottom of the decking and the protruding screws from the crawl when the floor is at it's hottest. It's just warm not at all hot. But I know plywood has an r value as well. I don't know how to calculate the temp on the other side of it.

I have done the dollar bill and light test. I can pull the dollar bill through, but there's resistance. I don't have any problem controlling the fire once it's going and the flue definitely stabilizes and cools down some. I'm just on edge when getting up to temp. Seems like a lot of draft (but nothing like if the ash door is cracked a hair). It appears the flames are likely reaching/going up the flue a bit. Should I experience this with the doors sealed and primary open? Are other Oslo owners seeing this? On my previous setup I couldn't hear it so much with the door closed. Of course it was a different setup, I could burn the whole load wide open. Is it possible, in-spite of being able to control the fire, I may have significant air leakage? Thanks for the replies so far.
 
....you shouldn't calculate combustibles like plywood into your R value. The combustibles are what you need to insulate FROM, right? Given that Jotul doesn't require an R value for the hearth, only ember pro, any R value is good. You'll find also that the bottom temps will fluctuate depending on the amount of ash you have in the pan. Ash is a fairly good insulator.
 
pyrojoe,

Welcome to the B/B Oslo club!

Regarding the bottom heat shield - mine came with my stove so can't tell you a before/after as it's always been there. Our stove is hearth mounted and I can tell you I can keep my hand on the hearth all day long with a fire burning inside the stove.

Question about your chimney: Does that include a 6" round stainless steel liner?
 
ploughboy, The R value is excluding the plywood. What I was trying to say is that the side of the decking I can feel from the crawl isn't hot, but that's not to say the side I can't feel isn't hot since the wood has an R value. Over analyzing I'm sure. I just want to get some reassurance one way or the other from folks, which you've helped with.

Shari, thanks. I think I'll enjoy being a member. My current chimney is 6" class A double wall. My prior install and all my experience was with a masonry chimney with an 8" SS liner.
 
Welcome, youll enjoy the oslo, fine heater.

Slate seems to get warmer than other materials, i know it has little to any r value. Mine sat up on a slate hearth and would get warm, but not under the stove. And i have short legs on it. Lots of heat radiates off that glass though. Is this the area your speaking of?
 
Thanks stump_branch. Mine gets a little hot in front of the stove, but really hot under the stove. I can believe slate conducts heat more than most material. It's amazing how warm the whole pad gets. I like it except for the hot spot.
 
Is this around the ash pan area then? I would wonder if a gasket has let loose. Not the door, but the rope seal of the pan to the unit. 500 stove top my ash pan would be rather cool to touch, yours?
 
Yes, directly under. Given the way the stove behaves if the ash pan door is cracked when burning I would think if I had a leak there I'd know it. Wouldn't you think? It's not always hot. Not necessarily related to stove top temps either. I've found the floor is hotter after the load run a while and the stove top starts to cool. Possibly from embers? I'm leaning toward buying a piece of sheet metal and seeing what I can make fairly easily. Until then the fan keeps it cool anyways. I'll do another light/dollar bill test tonight too.
 
I would think yes you would notice. But i wonder why the heat. Could just different setups of course.

You do have an actual removable pan in there right? Should be a thin gauge metal pan. I say this as i know a buddy whos VC does not have the pan. They just let the ash fall in the ash pan area a scoop out later. Just trying to think through it.
 
Stump_Branch said:
I would think yes you would notice. But i wonder why the heat. Could just different setups of course.

You do have an actual removable pan in there right? Should be a thin gauge metal pan. I say this as i know a buddy whos VC does not have the pan. They just let the ash fall in the ash pan area a scoop out later. Just trying to think through it.

Yep. Have the pan. How long are the standard legs? Is it possible I have a short leg kit and didn't know it? You don't have the bottom heat shield on right?
 
It might be easier to just post a picture of the front and side of the stove.
 
No shield here. I think 5 in for short legs and 7 for standard. Have both at home will have to check.

Agree with begreen, can you shoot us a picture?
 
Stump_Branch said:
No shield here. I think 5 in for short legs and 7 for standard. Have both at home will have to check.

Agree with begreen, can you shoot us a picture?

Stump_Branch - I'm sending you a pm.
 
Shari said:
Stump_Branch said:
No shield here. I think 5 in for short legs and 7 for standard. Have both at home will have to check.

Agree with begreen, can you shoot us a picture?

Stump_Branch - I'm sending you a pm.

Pm answered

Check that shorties are 6in and standards are 8 3/8in.

OP you should be able to see that much, hows a picture coming?
 
I do have the bottom heat shield on my Oslo. It covers the bottom of the ash pan.

I found that the bottom of the stove - from the back of the ash pan to the back of the stove (about 7 or 8") - radiates a lot of heat and the slate gets very hot!

I solved this by getting a piece of sheet metal about 9 inches long and not quite as wide as the heat shield. One edge of the metal sits on the upper side of the shield and the back of the metal rests on a brick. Possible problem solved! BTW, you can't see the brick or the extra piece of metal unless you get down on your belly and look underneath the stove!!

The slate in front of the stove gets pretty hot, too, when I've got a good hot fire. I've IR'd it at around 130 F. This worries me a bit, but think that it should be OK because the Oslo specs require only ember protection. My slate is mortared directly onto the plywood base.

Cheers!
 
Sorry it took so long. Now that my wife's made fun of me for taking pictures of the stove and asked if it will turn up in our family photo album, here's kid #4, Oslo :cheese: I had just lit the fire...nothing impressive there. Hopefully the pictures will show what you want. The legs are about 8 1/2". So I guess they're standard.
 

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pyrojoe -

Did you change the finish on the wooden knobs? I LIKE that! :) Been thinking of doing the same thing......
 
Shari said:
pyrojoe -

Did you change the finish on the wooden knobs? I LIKE that! :) Been thinking of doing the same thing......

That's how I got it. Not sure if the finish has been changed or not. Could be a good touch though.
 
pyrojoe said:
Blue-black. I've had it for almost a year, saw the deal when we were about to close on the house last winter. It's been killing me just sitting waiting for a fire to be lit in it. Then I had a sweep come out and inspect the old chimney before I fire it up and decided to replace it. I've only been burning for a week or so. It's bad when you want it to get cold outside so you can see what your stove can do. 50's and rainy the next few days :long:

As for the flue...like I said, the roaring kinda brings back some scary feelings. I don't like the thought of flames shooting up the pipe for long. I'm seriously considering a probe thermometer. I just hate to put a 1/4" hole in my new pipe! That and there was a pretty long debate about their accuracy on this forum. For the shield, does it just mount with the two bolts or is there an additional spacer?

Sweet . . . one of the few things I wish is that I had waited and spent the extra money on the blue black finish.

No worries on the probe thermometer . . . it's very safe and easy . . . and the hole is "plugged" with the probe . . . and truth be told the draft is such that typically you are more likely to have smoke intrusion issues if there is a problem in almost any other place other than that small hole. As for the accuracy . . . very few thermos made for stove use in my opinion are scientifically accurate . . . but I suspect most of them will be close enough to give you an idea of how hot or cold things are running.

Shield . . . it's been several years since I installed the shield . . . I think it was just a few screws . . . no spacer. The screws/bolts allowed it to have a natural, small gap . . . but as I said . . . I'm relying on my poor memory . . . I can barely remember what I had for dinner yesterday . . . wait a minute . . . it's coming back . . . cold, home made hamburg and tomato pizza . . . not that this helps you in regards to the shield.
 
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