what I learned while removing my damper

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Oct 14, 2011
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South Puget Sound
First off, I'd like to thank everyone who encouraged me to remove my own damper with an angle grinder. I was able to borrow one, and it was kind of fun cutting with it, and it didn't take very long. However, I learned a few things that might be helpful for any other newbies giving this a shot.

I went in with a dust mask, woodworking glasses, leather gloves, ear plugs, and a hat. I soon added a hooded sweatshirt, as the flying sparks were uncomfortable on my neck. My glasses kept fogging up, and that made things take a lot longer, so if you can solve that one somehow, it'll help. I attacked one of the hinges first, and once I cut that, the damper door came out. The installer had come by and told me I had to take out cross piece on the back side, and even a couple bricks under it, so I cut that cross piece in half, and then was able to pull the two pieces out after wiggling them back and forth a bunch.

The exciting part happened after I got that out. I pulled out some cement, and cleaned up a bit. After wiping my foggy glasses again, I finally noticed the smoke coming from behind the brick wall at the back of the firebox. There's a space behind it. I was able to slowly twist myself and a flashlight back there to find a pile of old ash and creosote, and a lot of cobwebs. The sparks from the grinder must have been falling into this pile, and now it was smoking. It occurred to me that it might be possible for the chimney to catch fire at this point, with my head wedged into it. Maybe that wouldn't happen, I don't really know. But I've heard that creosote is supposed to be highly flammable, so I got concerned, and I got my head out of there.

I had a hammer handy, so I took a couple bricks out so I could get in (and out!) much quicker. There was a glass of water on the counter in the kitchen, so I grabbed that and went back in and sprinkled it liberally on the places of the pile that were smoking. It helped, but it was still hot, so I got my 7 year old to get me another glass of water, and that did the trick. Then I used the shop vac to clean up the walls a bit, get all the cobwebs and loose creosote off the walls. Then I ran my fingers through the wet ash pile to make sure it wasn't hot anymore.

Anyhow, I'm not sure how you can keep sparks out of this part of the chimney while removing a damper, but you could certainly be a lot more prepared for dealing with it than I was. I mean if you happen to have the same kind of chimney and firebox as I do. I could be rare for all I know.

Altogether, I'm glad I did this, as it saved me some money on my install, and it was interesting, and I'm glad to know this part of my house better.
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What started smoking back there was the creosote that had accumulated over the years on and in the "smoke shelf". It can be quite a bit and has caused many chimney fires in fireplaces that have supposedly been cleaned. That stuff should be vac'ed out at every chimney cleaning. Including the one in preparation for a liner installation.

You can't see it so ya gotta reach up in there and find it.
 
to keep glasses from fogging up, don't use them. your looking up at something your cutting above your head. I was getting sprayed with stuff all over my face and the stuff still migrated under the glasses.

No rather get yourself a nice face shield. keeps everything off your face and you probably should use one whenever working with a grinder anyhow.

Sounds like you did a good job. How was it to get the liner down the chimney?
 
It is scary what hides behind the smoke shelf. Apparently they are supposed to put concrete or sand back there when they build them. My house was built in the late 30's and I I took 2 large shop vacs of black junk from behind there. Here all this time I was worried about the chimney starting a fire and I had a creosote bomb sitting right next to it. I don't think mine had ever been cleaned unless they somehow dropped a vacuum in from the top, there was no way to get back there with the damper in. Kind of made me mad since I paid some good money to have it cleaned and inspected when I bought the place a few years ago.
 
Gazing in Wonder. I like that handle. Perfectly describes what all us nubies to EPA stoves do a lot of in the beginning.

Thanks for the post. I'm getting ready to do my soon. I've read a few places here that the angle grinder with a cutting blade works great on the damper. What did you use to get the bricks out and how hard was that part of it?
 
The problem was that the smoke shelf was constructed incorrectly as a pit. It should've had a solid top at the height of the damper. It's purpose is to deflect downdrafts and cause them to eddy, versus blasting directly into the firebox and room.
A pit as constructed is hazardous and impossible to clean.
 
I also had to cut out a damper and the cast iron throat plate for a re-lining job this past weekend.
After realizing that I had left the angle-grinder 2 hours away, I decided to try a sawzall with a good quality bi-metal blade (14 TPI) and found that it cut through like butter without any sparks. One blade was all it took.
There is no way this is a fun job, but my second choice for the right tool should have been the first.
 
+2 on weird fireplace!
What a weird cavity back there.
Have never seen one like that in all the open fireplaces i have put my head into.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I will try to address questions in one post:

Stump_branch:I haven't put the liner down the chimney. I am paying an installer. He is giving me a better deal for having removed the damper myself. Installer comes Monday. I'm very excited.

rwhite: I considered vacuuming it out. Will that damage my shop vac or clog the filter? Do chimney sweeps use any special vacuum tools or just a regular shop vac?

WoodpileOCD: I like your handle also. I am somewhat obsessive over many things and I expect my woodpile will soon become one more. Getting those two bricks out was surprisingly quick and easy. I tapped on them a bit with my framing hammer (32 oz), and they moved easily, but didn't slide out right away, I had to tap a few times and then pull up to get the first one out. The second came right out.

I owe another post (at least) about my choice for my insert; I'll get that up soon.
 
Sparkster said:
I also had to cut out a damper and the cast iron throat plate for a re-lining job this past weekend.
After realizing that I had left the angle-grinder 2 hours away, I decided to try a sawzall with a good quality bi-metal blade (14 TPI) and found that it cut through like butter without any sparks. One blade was all it took.
There is no way this is a fun job, but my second choice for the right tool should have been the first.

Just cut my damper frame out with a Sawzall too and it went very well and very quickly. After reading about flying sparks etc with a grinder, I'm glad I used the Sawzall. Thread documenting my install coming shortly. Here's a picture with the 10" piece I cut out (just for proof that it happened) :cheese:
 

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