First scare of the season

Beer Belly said:

I was wondering while reading this....what is the limit on my insert...here is what the manual sez
"Over-Firing the Stove
This stove was designed to operate at a high temperature. But due to differences in vent
configuration, fuel, and draft, this appliance can be operated at an excessive temperature. If the
stove top or other area starts to glow red, you are over-firing the stove. Shut the air control down to
low and allow the stove to cool before proceeding." .....are they kidding ...."glowing red"....HOLY CRAP that would scare the dickens outa me.

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Being vague is never a help in understanding anything; i.e., what does the mfg mean, specifically, by "high temperature" and "excessive temperature".

In absence of that, generally speaking, just about any metal wood burner is being over fired when it glows red. To get red means the metal has reached the vicinity of 900*F, with a duller red being less than 900* and brighter being more.

This points out the BASIC PROBLEM in design of burning wood in all metal stoves: their engineering and design fails to address the fact that they cannot burn at a temperature that the fuel requires to combust efficiently and cleanly - over 1000*F.

Aye,
Marty

The problem then is you will be building a kiln which won't produce heat in the same manner as a wood stove in your living room.

woodmiser said:

The problem then is you will be building a kiln which won't produce heat in the same manner as a wood stove in your living room.

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And wouldn't that be nice?
* No raging fluctuations/24 hours in room temperature
* No "fried dust" or burned epidermis (pet or human)
* Less wood fuel consumption/season
* Cleaner air to breath for everybody outside
* Fewer chimney fires from less creosote formation
* Comfortable radiant heat with cooler air inside

Just for example.

Aye,
Marty

Just wondering if you guys run the fan all the time or just once the temperature rises and at what temperature do you start the fan?

Marty S said:

woodmiser said:

The problem then is you will be building a kiln which won't produce heat in the same manner as a wood stove in your living room.

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And wouldn't that be nice?
* No raging fluctuations/24 hours in room temperature
* No "fried dust" or burned epidermis (pet or human)
* Less wood fuel consumption/season
* Cleaner air to breath for everybody outside
* Fewer chimney fires from less creosote formation
* Comfortable radiant heat with cooler air inside

Just for example.

Aye,
Marty

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Standing around a kiln in freezing temperatures won't warm you up.

Standing around a kiln in freezing temperatures won't warm you up.[/quote]

Don't waste your breath brother.

Kilns I'm talking about are electric, lined with thick firebrick and have a steel enclosure. They are designed to hold heat in, not let it out, brother.

Kinda like Limerick.

Kilns are insulated to keep heat in the kiln, not warm the room. There are other things that heat besides metal stoves and kilns.

Neanderthals recognized the value of heating rocks around fire to keep warm.

Rocks absorb heat from fire and release the stored heat much slower to an area (like in your house, yea...).

Metal stoves release heat too fast (it's a property metal has).

It's all about heat transfer.

Basic stuff for wood burners who should try to burn clean and smart...

Aye,
Marty

Getting back on track here............
Just went nuclear on the stove. 1/2" of coals in this stove. 4 med/small splits. Very dry.
No air. 750* stove top
1000* pipe internal.

Warm house.

EDIT: Whoa. Ooops. Left the door cracked on front of stove. MY first scare of the season. Geeeez.

Hogwildz said:

KodiakII said:

I have read a couple of accounts of "run away" stoves over the last couple of days. If this something peculiar to your epa stoves you can have them. For the extra wood my old smoke dragon burns I think I will stick with it!

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EPA or non EPA, any stove can run away.

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I have been around wood heat as a back up, and as a primary source of heat for all of my life, and in all honesty have never had the experience of a "run away" in a non epa stove. Too bad Mr. Gore hadn't encountered the experience.