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Angus.Young

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Hello, I'm new here and have been doing alot of frantic reading trying to consume the vast wealth of information that is on this site.

Recently i've been thinking about replacing my 1980's Era insert in the living room, right now it vents into a masanory clay lined chimmney.

What i found for sale locally is an osburn 2200, I'm wondering how good of an insert this would be for me, He says its about 10 years old but in good shape, he is asking 300 bucks.

I'm wondering if that's a decent deal, i think i could handle most of the install myself so it wouldn't be a huge expense there.

I have attached a picture of my current setup to see if there are any issues with replacing it with said insert, the only issue that i can maybe anticipate is the TV might be to close, but i could monitor that as we go.


Anyway, thank you for your time, and please let me know if you have any suggestions/ideas as to whether that's a good price for that insert, and weather it looks like it would work in my location.


Thank you!
 

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Angus.Young said:
Hello, I'm new here and have been doing alot of frantic reading trying to consume the vast wealth of information that is on this site.

Recently i've been thinking about replacing my 1980's Era insert in the living room, right now it vents into a masanory clay lined chimmney.

What i found for sale locally is an osburn 2200, I'm wondering how good of an insert this would be for me, He says its about 10 years old but in good shape, he is asking 300 bucks.

I'm wondering if that's a decent deal, i think i could handle most of the install myself so it wouldn't be a huge expense there.

I have attached a picture of my current setup to see if there are any issues with replacing it with said insert, the only issue that i can maybe anticipate is the TV might be to close, but i could monitor that as we go.


Anyway, thank you for your time, and please let me know if you have any suggestions/ideas as to whether that's a good price for that insert, and weather it looks like it would work in my location.


Thank you!
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Welcome to the forum Angus! If that insert is in good condition that is a bargain at $300.00! They still make that model and new it will cost over $2000.00..

http://www.osburn-mfg.com/product.aspx?CategoId=7&Id=246

Good Luck!
Ray
 
Dude that's my favorite band :)

Welcome to the forms! Good luck on that new inset and let us know how it goes...
 
Hi,
You didn't mention whether you have a liner or not. The Osburn will perform better with a 6" liner from stove outlet to chimney top, as in about 30% less wood consumption or much more useable heat. Also, cleaning the chimney is much easier and faster- an unlined insert must be uninstalled in order to clean properly, whereas a lined one can be swept without any major disassembly. (usually the smokeshelf/secondary burn area needs opened up to get the soot out, but generally not a big deal.) I charge less to sweep a lined insert, and if an unlined one is a "glaze monster", I won't touch it... Finally, local codes and your insurance company may require that the new installation be brought up to current standards- a liner that is sized to match the outlet on the stove- 6", in this case. Finally finally, if you ever sell your house, the buyer's finance company may require it be brought to code before they will write the mortgage check. This has become much more common in WA state, and some other areas the last few years. These are questions best answered before you begin the job.
Stay warm,
Ed
 
If you've got a fireplace, absolutely get an insert in there. $300.00 sounds great to me. As others have mentioned, probably need to price out the other materials for the chimney before you can accurately project cost, but you'll surely make that back in energy savings depending on what you pay for wood.
 
Angus,
The suspense is killing me did you buy the stove? Man we need details and pics! :) Chimney guy is already giving some solid advice, wish he lived in this area! For $300.00 you could use it for years and sell it at a profit, hard to beat that!

Good luck!

Ray
 
Buy it quick! That kind of price on that stove is great. I just bought my insert, an Osburn 1600. I paid $250 and it's a 1989 model. I would think a 2200 would be awesome. Can't recommend enough to do an insulated liner. Did the install myself and I was all in for about $1K with insulated liner, stove, new brick, hearth extension and various other odds and ends.
 
Make sure you put a stainless steel liner in if you buy an insert! if you don't and you have a chiney fire the fire can pulverize your clay liner and brick leaving you with a burned down home. Other than that go get it man thats a good insert besides if it doesn't work you can get most of your money back from scraping it out.

Pete
 
We installed a 2200 in our masonry fireplace in October and we absolutely love it. Keeps the entire downstairs of my 1600 split-level toasty warm, and looks really good while doing it. If the thing's in decent shape for 300, I'd grab it. SBI (the company who makes it) is a solid company and parts would not be a problem if needed. As others have said, make sure you use a liner if you want it to perform like it was designed to.

Regards,

Greg

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The 2200 in action:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/gzAbCtdkRhQ[/youtube]
 
gd9704 said:
We installed a 2200 in our masonry fireplace in October and we absolutely love it. Keeps the entire downstairs of my 1600 split-level toasty warm, and looks really good while doing it. If the thing's in decent shape for 300, I'd grab it. SBI (the company who makes it) is a solid company and parts would not be a problem if needed. As others have said, make sure you use a liner if you want it to perform like it was designed to.

Regards,

Greg



The 2200 in action:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/gzAbCtdkRhQ[/youtube]
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Greg,
Great looking hearth and insert! I am wondering if the OP bought this stove as he seems to have vanished..

Ray
 
raybonz said:
gd9704 said:
We installed a 2200 in our masonry fireplace in October and we absolutely love it. Keeps the entire downstairs of my 1600 split-level toasty warm, and looks really good while doing it. If the thing's in decent shape for 300, I'd grab it. SBI (the company who makes it) is a solid company and parts would not be a problem if needed. As others have said, make sure you use a liner if you want it to perform like it was designed to.

Regards,

Greg



The 2200 in action:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/gzAbCtdkRhQ[/youtube]
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Greg,
Great looking hearth and insert! I am wondering if the OP bought this stove as he seems to have vanished..

Ray
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VANISHED! ?

Dear OP,
Please wish Jimmy Hoffa a merry Christmas. Thank you.
 
Have not vanished yet.. just unfortunately busy at work :( I will try to get a look at it today and send an update.

Thank you for all the advice, if i do get it you can all expect about a million more questions to come!


Thanks!
 
Angus.Young said:
Have not vanished yet.. just unfortunately busy at work :( I will try to get a look at it today and send an update.

Thank you for all the advice, if i do get it you can all expect about a million more questions to come!


Thanks!
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Hate to say it but if it is in decent shape it won't last long at that price.. I lost out on an $800.00 Jotul Firelight CB before I bought this stove..

Good Luck!

Ray
 
Ok so latest news is he still has it and i will be taking a look at it on Tuesday. Not knowing to much but doing my best to learn, is there anything specific i should be looking out for or checking on? He says where they had it in the house it didn't burn well, so it didn't get much use, so I'm guessing he had draft issues and/or wet wood.

Right now my chimney is is just clay lined masonry, i was planning on pulling a liner through, i will still need to get some measurements and such, my house is a split level and the fireplace is in the lower living room (not basement) so I'm hoping that the heat should travel through at least there and the higher kitchen level and ideally somewhat up to the bedrooms although the only route up to that level is a stairwell so I'm not sure how much heat will go that way.

The chimney is all masonry and is mostly in the garage so there its at least shielded from wind/etc the garage has a heater but i keep that it just above freezing so its not really warm in there, my question is do i absolutely need an insulated liner, or would i be fine with an uninsulated one? After the garage it goes through the roof and up to the top of the house probably about another 6 or 8 feet after the garage height.

I will try to add some more pictures later.

Thank you all for your very good advice and help.
 
Look for evidence of overfiring (whitish color on paint), cracks, and general abuse.
 
Took a look at it, and to my untrained eye it appeared fine, the fire bricks looked good not cracked etc.

So i took it, for 300 i figured i cant really go wrong, i do still need to pick it up and then i will post some pics of it.

For my chimney liner i posted above, but anyway, it runs mostly through the garage, i will try to get pics of that as well, but i'm wondering do i need to go with an insulated liner if its mostly inside?

Thanks!
 
Wow. That's a great deal! Congrats. Here's my two cents in the liner: insulated would be ideal and help keep stack temps up. Uninsulated would probably work fine too, as long as you keep that garage space heated as you said, "above freezing". That's just one mans opinion.
 
Angus.Young said:
Took a look at it, and to my untrained eye it appeared fine, the fire bricks looked good not cracked etc.

So i took it, for 300 i figured i cant really go wrong, i do still need to pick it up and then i will post some pics of it.

For my chimney liner i posted above, but anyway, it runs mostly through the garage, i will try to get pics of that as well, but i'm wondering do i need to go with an insulated liner if its mostly inside?

Thanks!
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Angus that sounds fantastic! I look forward to your pics, sounds like you got a killer deal on that insert!

Ray
 
Ok, finally here are some pictures, its been busy with the holidays but finally found abit of time to take some pictures.

Is anyone familiar with this insert? One question i had is all online manuals that i can find, show it with 4 straight secondary burn tubes up top, in this on the front one is curved, and also shows curved in manual so i know its supposed to be that way, just seems weird as the model number stayed the same, on the side it is identified as an Osburn 2200.

I think at least to my untrained eye it appears to be in good shape, the fire bricks all look fine, not cracked etc. The glass definitely needs a good cleaning. There is a small amount of rust on the top but that will sit under the trim plate anyway, so I'm not sure if that is normal or not.

Anyway here are some pics..
 

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Angus great pics and one hellava deal on that insert! The insert doesn't appear to have been overfired and in fact probably wasn't run hot due to all the creosote on the glass and inside the stove.. I'd be willing to bet that the insert was being run on wet wood! Once you get it all cleaned up and installed that glass will stay clean if you burn dry wood.. Keep us posted and thanx for posting the pics..

Ray
 
Wow, looks like you struck gold on that deal! Looks like a brand new door gasket...did you put that in?
If you can swing it, an insulated liner to the top of the masonry chimney is the way to go; Better draft, less creosote, and safer. You may have to wait for warmer weather to upgrade, especially where you live. :gulp:

jharkin said:
Dude that's my favorite band :)
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Will the real Angus Young please stand up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCGy1Dd9x8
 
No new Gasket, that is the way it came, so I'm guessing i don't have to change that quite yet then.

Here are some pictures of my chimney as well, i measured it at 10 X 10, I don't remember for sure but I'm fairly sure those were inside dimensions.

I plan on re-lining it with 6" flex liner, right now i need to do some reading if its worth it for me to go insulated as most of the chimney is in the garage where it never gets below freezing anyway.

I presume with 1 10 x 10 opening i should have no problem dropping down an insulated 6" liner though?


I would also like to thank everyone for their help and comments... as I'm planning on doing this myself every bit of advice helps.

Thanks!

PS. please excuse the mess in the garage i still have a lot of cleaning to do
 

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If you truly have a 10" inside measurement I think a 6" liner would fit in pretty well.. From your pic your chimney looks like a straight run too..

Ray
 
Do yourself a favor Angus, line it and insulate the liner. I went with double wall pre insulated rigid and it rocks!
You look sorta short on the height of the flue to start with. The insulated 6" will make her draft much better.
 
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