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I just recently joined this site and learned a lot about pellet stoves. Thank you for the knowledge you've given me.
For the house that I have built, I cant find the stove that is right for me. Does anyone know of a pellet stove sold and built in the United States that will heat water like the European pellet stove.
Not a boiler room unit, but a stove you would put in a living room. MCZ and Rika are examples of the stoves I am looking for, but they wont certify their hot water stoves for the U.S.
After reading a lot of the threads on this site there are a lot of people that could utilize this type of heater.
 
This is one of those "where can I find" questions that could be answered if you took the time to do a simple Google Search.

For example..............

In just a minute or so, I was able to start with a link for Pellet fed barbeque grills:

http://www.adirondackstoves.com/adirondackstoves_rev/models_traeger_wood_pellet_bbq_grills_.htm

I'm sure if you keep digging, you'll find something that suits you. I realize that a "barbeque grill" is not what you're looking for, but .........if nothing else, it shows that there is a market out there for almost anything!

-Soupy1957
 
soupy1957 said:
This is one of those "where can I find" questions that could be answered if you took the time to do a simple Google Search.

For example..............

In just a minute or so, I was able to start with a link for Pellet fed barbeque grills:

http://www.adirondackstoves.com/adirondackstoves_rev/models_traeger_wood_pellet_bbq_grills_.htm

I'm sure if you keep digging, you'll find something that suits you. I realize that a "barbeque grill" is not what you're looking for, but .........if nothing else, it shows that there is a market out there for almost anything!

-Soupy1957
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If it's so "simple" why don't you help him out and provide all the ones you found.

It's a legitimate question, I haven't seen any yet.
 
Fact is the Europeans have been dealing with very high oil prices for a lot longer then we have. They had a 35 year head-start over us in pellet/bio stove designs. They are building high tech Ferrari like stove while we are still building crude model A ford type stoves. Same goes for washing machines and driers although, we are catching up quick there.
 
bookpile said:
soupy1957 said:
This is one of those "where can I find" questions that could be answered if you took the time to do a simple Google Search.

For example..............

In just a minute or so, I was able to start with a link for Pellet fed barbeque grills:

http://www.adirondackstoves.com/adirondackstoves_rev/models_traeger_wood_pellet_bbq_grills_.htm

I'm sure if you keep digging, you'll find something that suits you. I realize that a "barbeque grill" is not what you're looking for, but .........if nothing else, it shows that there is a market out there for almost anything!

-Soupy1957
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If it's so "simple" why don't you help him out and provide all the ones you found.

It's a legitimate question, I haven't seen any yet.
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Why not just say nothing rather than post a useless link to try and make a point. If this forum was limited to the discussion of things that were never brought up before we would be pretty limited.
 
DexterDay said:
This thing has flown around and been talked about a little. Lets you utilize the hot air and hot water.

http://crosslinkconversions.com/index.php



I dont know how well iit would work. Personally, Hot pressurized water scares me to death.
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I am doing something like that with a stainless steel coil. Pressures worried me to so I put a relief valve in the loop. It will heat the water in a 60 gallon tank to 130 if there is no demand on the heating system.
 
Interesting info guys!!! I wish there was a way for a pellet stove/furnace to produce electricity. This would really be cutting edge technology. When your solar PV system could not produce due to clouds, your pellet/biomass unit could take up the slack and if so engineered produce hot water. I sell solar PV (electric producing) and solar hot water systems and a backup for both of these would be great with Biomass/pellets.


I bet the Europeans have this one figured out by now!!! They really have some good engineering.


If anyone knows of a pellet/biomass unit that produces electricity and hot water, please advise.


Stay Warm,

AR
 
Ssssshhhhh . . . once you find a way to produce electricity and hot water with a pellet, the Feds will tax it to death.
 
[quote author="ARGlock" date="1323638815"]Interesting info guys!!! I wish there was a way for a pellet stove/furnace to produce electricity. This would really be cutting edge technology. When your solar PV system could not produce due to clouds, your pellet/biomass unit could take up the slack and if so engineered produce hot water. I sell solar PV (electric producing) and solar hot water systems and a backup for both of these would be great with Biomass/pellets.


I bet the Europeans have this one figured out by now!!! They really have some good engineering.


If anyone knows of a pellet/biomass unit that produces electricity and hot water, please advise.


Stay Warm,


You mean something like this.
http://www.tegpower.com/index.html
Wouldn't it be nice to not have to pulg in the stove, no more worries about power failures.
 
KodiakII said:
bookpile said:
soupy1957 said:
This is one of those "where can I find" questions that could be answered if you took the time to do a simple Google Search.

For example..............

In just a minute or so, I was able to start with a link for Pellet fed barbeque grills:

http://www.adirondackstoves.com/adirondackstoves_rev/models_traeger_wood_pellet_bbq_grills_.htm

I'm sure if you keep digging, you'll find something that suits you. I realize that a "barbeque grill" is not what you're looking for, but .........if nothing else, it shows that there is a market out there for almost anything!

-Soupy1957
Click to expand...

If it's so "simple" why don't you help him out and provide all the ones you found.

It's a legitimate question, I haven't seen any yet.
Click to expand...

X2

Why not just say nothing rather than post a useless link to try and make a point. If this forum was limited to the discussion of things that were never brought up before we would be pretty limited.
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X3

Well said !
 
I've been amazed that no US manufacturer makes a stove that heats water - either for space heating or domestic hot water - other than Elmira cookstoves. In Europe they are a dime a dozen. But someone told me that a major manufacturer is in the process of getting one back to the market and that it did not need to go through an alternative EPA emission test - the regular Method 28 test could be used.

However, there is one guy who is custom manufacturing a living room heat that heats water - Marc Caluwe at Architectural Indoor Wood Boilers. http://www.hydro-to-heat-convertor.com/about.html. They are based in Burlington, MA. Probably no coincidence that he is European and moved here 20 years ago. They ain't cheap but its a whole house heater and they are gorgeous and apparently work great.
 
John Ackerly said:
I've been amazed that no US manufacturer makes a stove that heats water - either for space heating or domestic hot water - other than Elmira cookstoves. In Europe they are a dime a dozen. But someone told me that a major manufacturer is in the process of getting one back to the market and that it did not need to go through an alternative EPA emission test - the regular Method 28 test could be used.

However, there is one guy who is custom manufacturing a living room heat that heats water - Marc Caluwe at Architectural Indoor Wood Boilers. http://www.hydro-to-heat-convertor.com/about.html. They are based in Burlington, MA. Probably no coincidence that he is European and moved here 20 years ago. They ain't cheap but its a whole house heater and they are gorgeous and apparently work great.
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Actually Harman has or had an optional water jacket or coil as I understand things.

There used to be tons of cook stoves that had coils for domestic hot water, my grandparents had a huge tank off of their old cook stove.
 
Harman makes a pellet boiler, PB100. Thats probably the only pellet water heater availible in the US. Ecoteck (Ravelli, Italy) makes a whole line of pellet stoves with water heating.
 
ARGlock said:
Interesting info guys!!! I wish there was a way for a pellet stove/furnace to produce electricity. This would really be cutting edge technology. When your solar PV system could not produce due to clouds, your pellet/biomass unit could take up the slack and if so engineered produce hot water. I sell solar PV (electric producing) and solar hot water systems and a backup for both of these would be great with Biomass/pellets.

AR
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I would be happy if a pellet stove could just produce enough electricity to keep its own motors going. That would save me about 4 hassles per winter when the power invariably goes out plus a savings of about $30 per month in pellet stove motor electricity costs.

This would feel to me like the proverbial perpetual motion machine-- as long as I keep the supply of pellets flowing till spring comes. (And it's not even winter yet).
 
geoiam said:
I just recently joined this site and learned a lot about pellet stoves. Thank you for the knowledge you've given me.
For the house that I have built, I cant find the stove that is right for me. Does anyone know of a pellet stove sold and built in the United States that will heat water like the European pellet stove.
Not a boiler room unit, but a stove you would put in a living room. MCZ and Rika are examples of the stoves I am looking for, but they wont certify their hot water stoves for the U.S.
After reading a lot of the threads on this site there are a lot of people that could utilize this type of heater.
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I install and service a lot of stoves in upstate NY and have seen a lot o of different modifications, You can try making a water jacket on the side of a pellet , coal, or wood stove with a pump and it will work. Do some research on this and have fun. Keep us informed :) :) :)..
 
Hello

Yes, there are some U.S. made pellet boilers like the Harman PB100 but from what I understand is they use quite a few pellets to heat up the hot water. So that may be why we do not have many U.S. made pellet water heaters. So as far as efficiency and cost goes, in my opinion a Heat Pump Electric Water heater that pulls heat from the warm air in the basement to heat the hot water is cheaper or a gas On Demand type water heater or even Solar DHW if you have the money for the initial investment!!

I luv my pellet stove but it cannot make my coffee. Just my 2 cents. :)
 
I am thinking a simple tube heat exchanger placed inside a modified piece of pellet vent would do wonders at recovering that massive heat our stoves waste through the exhaust.

Wish mine was closer to my water inlet.

If nothing else you could run to areas of the house that have trouble getting heat from your stove.
 
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