Well, just came back from a 5 hour round-trip to see the saws. You all would have laughed your arse's off - a complete pile if beat up JUNK! I wouldn't have paid more than $10 buck for 18 of the 20 saws - one MS170 in reasonable shape and a Husky 51 in reasonable shape - offered $100 for those and no deal. So......left empty handed, but glad I'm not the one stuck with those saws!! Luckily, I have a good buddy that I haven't seen for while who lives pretty close to where I drove - had a nice dinner with his family - so....a good day nonetheless! I'm about out of tinkering saws at this point - withdrawal kicking in - need a good CL deal soon!! Cheers!