A new tax on alternative fuel vehicles?!

I never posted in the "Ash Can" and perhaps that would have been where this would go - (mods feel free to delete this if it's not where it belongs) but I am appalled that the Gov of VA proposes to do away with the gas tax (one of the lowest in the nation and has not had a boost since 1986) but will keep taxing diesel trucks AND will add a new fee for those who drive cars with alternative fuels. Say what?! Even if he was using logic to say that the Prius (et al) drivers should pay their fair share where others are paying for more gas, he has already erased that logic by eliminating the gas tax? Insane. He's got to be looking for big oil support or something?! Either that or just looking for a way to tax liberals only without offending his base? I'm so over this guy. We only have single term govs in VA so they are lame duck from the time they get in there, but his term can not be over soon enough for me!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ers-and-shoppers-and-not-gas-guzzlers/266987/

If you don't use gas you don't pay gas tax. For that reason alone there should be a tax on alternative vehicles.

The VA proposal is misguided in many ways. It unfairly transfers the cost of transportation to some that don't even use it (though they benefit from it).
Older non-drivers come to mind.
It also allows out-of-state drivers to pass though without paying their fair share.
No doubt, anyone that uses the roads, including those driving EVs, should pay their fair share.
Vehicle Miles traveled (VMT) based payment is coming. Its only a matter of time.

That's gonna be tough to swallow, but I agree it's inevitable.

Seems to me to be the only fair way to tax road usage as long as the weight of the vehicle is taken into consideration.
It takes into account actual usage and degradation of the roadways by all vehicles regardless of fuel type and registration state.
It also reconciles scenarios where fuel might be purchased before entering a state and where no fuel is bought while traveling through the state.

So, how can that be implemented? I live in Maine, drive to Mass, turn around and come back. Do I then pay Mass for the miles driven there? Or Maine the total milse driven in that year reguardless of what state? What about cycleists? We're supposed to "share the road" well they didn't pay for it mentality could come to mind. The idea that I pay over 50 cents a gallon to pay 6 state workers to do the job of 2 real world people making far less money, means a total spending problem on their end. But that's just based on my own expierence, your mileage may vary.

TS

Cars will have built-in GPS capabilities (e.g., "Connected Vehicle"). This coupled with simple geo-fencing programs can determine how many miles were driven within what area.

That is a challenge to pay per mile schemes. However, cyclists contribute very little to degradation of the roads. Also, most cyclists also own and drive cars so they will end up contributing one way or another. That said, the same technology that allows cars to pay by the mile would work with bikes, probably via phone apps.

As, I said, its only a matter of time.

I understand this, master mechanic here. Retro GPS's in older vehicles? I still think the problem is with state spending, ways to figure out how to generate more revenue are not the solution to the spending problem. Large trucks degrade the road more and also consume more fule contributing to higher tax generation. EV's are cheap to drive, as there is no "electric road tax" but contribute to more power useage on our sagging grid as it is. What gets me is how does our energy consumption go up every year, faster than population groath, when we have all these energy saving appliances? The problem is the spending end, not the tax end IMO.

TS

I might agree if it were done in that simple way. If, for example the Gov felt that it was time to RAISE the Va gas tax to increase the revenue, and to be fair he added fees for alternative fuel vehicles, that might make some sense. My beef was that he wants to abolish the gas tax, so adding the alternative fuel fee doesn't make much sense.

Exactly, there's that too!
My attempt at a hearth.com parallel, - I have a heat pump. It heats inadequately and the electric bill was high. So, we shelled out for a woodstove and we cut/split and/or buy fuel for that. We still pay for our electric, but the bill is not as high. I feel like what McDonnell is doing with the gas would be like telling us it's not fair that our neighbor without the woodstove has to pay a higher electric bill than we do, so we should pay an extra fee for owning the woodstove, while at the same time he wants to give the higher consuming neighbors a coupon for discounted electric.

(Incidentally, I would love to drive a Prius, but couldn't afford the $5000 more it cost to buy an equivalent used one the last time I bought a car. Those alternative fuel vehicles do cost more in other ways though you are saving on fuel.)

Its the same in OR. They want the 'lost' revenues from gas taxes from non gas vehicles. Gotta feed the growing cancers of state government.

So why dont they just raise the gas tax,those that use more gas pay more tax. Gas guzzlers pay more toward the road repairs and gas sippers pay less. seems fair to me and i drive 2 gas guzzlers.EV drivers should not even be considered until they comprise more than 10% of the cars on the road.

Um, that would make too much sense. And of course there is the GIANT gas lobby...