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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by EatenByLimestone, Oct 9, 2008.
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Interesting if true. You don't hear too much about it in the global warming alarmist media, but several locations are already posting record cold spells. I remember early in the season, there was all this talk of massive arctic ice melting and how it would be the worst ever. Now I don't hear a peep about it, so I guess that alarm didn't pan out too well?
Also used to have a link to an article detailing how the solar wind has dropped to levels that are record lows since measurements have began (which isn't that long), but in one paragraph, they quoted "lower solar wind is like turning down the heat on a stove" but in the next they said "but this doesn't have any effect on the earths climate" ?? Which leads me to ask...but isn't the Earth one of the planets around this 'stove' that is getting turned down??
Either way, I just hope their winter forecasting is better than their hurricane forecasting!
Bring on the cold..I can't wait! It's always 85 -90 in my house in the winter no matter what the temp outside....
My personal opinion on the matter.. No matter how much we study the earth, there will always be vastly more we don't understand about it.
I wonder if this thread is destined for the Ash Can?
Seein's how critters that at least resembeled what we call ourselves today have only existed on Earth for something like 0.022% of the planet's history, how can we possibly imagine that we've even begun to understand it? We want it to make sense to us in a time scale that makes sense to us, but that ain't gonna happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm a student of science, and I also believe that in our extremely short history on this planet (geologically speaking) we humans have managed to do incredible (perhaps irreparable) damage to our home. Forecast? Who cares, nobody can know. The retrocast is all that's fact. Rick
The squirrels are running nuts (both figurative and literally). Batten down the hatches. Might be a good cold one in the NE.
I hope he's right about less snow in the northern Rockies. We had way too much snow last year--had to go up on the roof twice to clear it. I'm hoping not to have to do that again this winter. Hopefully, it won't be as cold in the east as he's predicting.
NOAA's 90 day forecast is not as enthusiastic for east coast winter conditions saying "equal chance" for above, normal, or below avg temps while predicting warmer than normal for much of the country, especially the upper mid-west. The forecast battle is on!
Since the original post was about the weather for a single season, I don't understand why climate change was brought up at all. I'm always amazed at how many amateur climate scientists we have in this country. As if daily doses of Faux News are the full equivalent of a PhD, and snotty comments are equivalent to peer-reviewed research. :roll:
:lol: OLE AL said it was going to be hot!
"I don’t understand why climate change was brought up at all."
well, for those of us that remember, when it's mentioned that this "month" or season etc. was the 1st, second, etc. hottest on record and all the cliamate nazi's jump on it as some kind of proof of something, including your beloved "real" lol scientists, it only makes sense when there is a cold weather forcast to have the same reaction the other way.
Accuweather is no better than any other weather service. They can't even get it right more than 3 days out, why do they think they can get it right months away? 50/50 chance of it being above normal or below.
discoinferno's right, people who don't understand the science shouldn't be commenting on it. Warm weather isn't the only result of climate change, especially on a local level. A few cooler months or years in the context of warming overall doesn't negate the reality of global warming. Records are worth noting, a colder winter now and then isn't.
On a local level, looks like I have enough wood...
Don't get your panties in a bunch...climate change was brought up [by me] because it is a forecast of the future. The original post is also dealing with a forecast of the future. I made no attempt to explain, prove, disprove beloved global warming. I merely stated facts:
"Several regions are posting record cold spells" - google it, the links go on way too much to post here.
“lower solar wind is like turning down the heat on a stove”
I mentioned hurricane predictions such as the "2006 worst hurricane season yet to come"
8/2/06 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14157852/
But never really materialized...
Did we do much better in 2007? Nope..."Our 2007 seasonal hurricane forecast was not particularly successful.'
I'm not sure why one would need a PhD to state facts...snotty as though they may seem, or why simple facts such as one of the coldest summers in Alaska, need to be subject to some great peer review. I never claim to be some great climate scientist, though I did stay at a Holiday Inn last nigh.
And for those wondering about climate change, both pros and cons, Accuweather has a great ongoing blog http://global-warming.accuweather.com/ Yeah the long range forecasts are suspect but I do think they are better than 50/50 and often indicate wether tendancies for various geographical areas moderately well. Forecasting the weather is one of the most complex endeavors there is in science. It's literally less complex to put a man on the moon; after all, we've done that, still can't forecast the weather all that well.
I wonder if I'll have to mow the lawn again this year? I mowed it last week.
Not much I can do if GW is there or isn't.... Will I be able to get the tomatoes in early next year?
Absolutely! Just don't know what part of the world you'll be able to do it that. :lol:
Global climate change is resulting in colder weather in some regions and hotter, wetter weather in others. Change is occurring at a rate that far outstrips natural long-term cycles. This is the problem: our society/economy/way of life is based on an expectation of stability in weather patterns: the rapid changes up/down/sideways that we're seeing will force us to react in many ways--some ways that are damned expensive and unfortunate.
I want it warmer.
Don't get so snotty. Rick
Even if it was peer reviewed??? I have lots of peers that feel the same way.
You are advocating Les Nessman's Eyewitness Weather method.
Look out the window...
Well, I was being uncharacteristically flip about it. I have a deep appreciation for our ability to accurately observe, analyze and predict short-term weather behavior...particularly as one who has spent a good deal of time at sea. It saves lives and property. I'm glad there are research meteorologists working on modeling the atmosphere (a problem of mind-boggling proportions). I just don't believe we're "there" yet..."there" being at a time in our history when we can predict long-term weather patterns with any significant degree of confidence. Perhaps one day. Rick