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An iprovement for all Breckwell owners

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by brack86svo, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. brack86svo

    brack86svo New Member

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    I have to first thank jtakeman for helping to point me in the right direction.

    I have a Breckwell Big E. In my opinion, the biggest downfall with the stove was that it couldn't really operate very well on the high/low setting, and it doesn't have a auger to stir the burn pot. This post will help you fix the high/low problem.

    Kozi makes a control board that they call the MX2. This board is a direct fit into the Big E. The boards side by side look exactly the same, with the exception of the Kozi has a few different components on the board. The Breckwell board has locations for these components, so I would have to assume the are made by the same manufacturer, then sold to the OEM's.

    With the MX2 board installed in my Big E, I can run the stove on high/low off of a thermostat. I installed the board, got it running, set it on level 4, adjusted the air damper and it works perfect. When the thermostat isn't calling for heat, the level kicks down to 1 and doesn't blow the fire out.

    The board cost me $300. Part number CBDKZ001. I only found one place online that would answer the phone when I called.

    If you have a Breckwell that uses the same board as the Big E, would like to have a board that has variable combustion speed so you can run the stove on high/low, and not blow the fire out on low... the Kozi MX2 board may be the one for you.
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  2. mr coffee

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    I'd love a thermostat on my 2700...;sick
  3. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Don't thank me, You deserve all the points for taken the chance to try it. I new the board would physically fit, But wasn't sure the feed rate would be exceptable. We trieds the NPS45 board with a breckwell. But had issues in the higher feed rates over flowing the smaller burnpot. The owner found a old style large pot from a pre 2004 stove and it was OK. He ended up selling the breckwell after restoring to stock form. Sold all the other stuff separately. This would have been the next board we would have tried. Since I lost the play unit I was only guessing at if it would really work.

    Thank you for trying it and sharing with the group! I am tickled its working for you. Keep an eye on it, I'd tread lightely unit its ran for a few solid days. Them little burnpots make me nervous!
  4. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Digital board?
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    Don2222 Minister of Fire

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    Does the Kozi board also do On/Off with the T-Stat?
    The pic I just attached below answer's my question. LOL

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  7. brack86svo

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    The Kozi board does everything the Breckwell board, plus variable combustion. The reason I tried to find a solution was, when it got really cold, and with running the stove in on/off, the stove would short cycle. Basically, with a full 1 degree swing on the thermostat, the thermostat would call for heat before the stove cooled down. This would cause it fill up the burn pot but, never light.

    If you run your Big E on a thermostat, this is a upgrade that is worth it in my opinion.
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    brack86svo New Member

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    From a quick search for a P2700 manual, it shows that it uses the same board as the Big E. Can you post a picture of your control panel?
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    You crazy kids!
  10. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Well, you were grossing about not being paid attention to, after awhile, folks find ways around impediments.

    Remember kids you are making frankenstoves do nothing that removes or changes a safety.

    The stove gods have not approved these changes, yada, yada, ouch that fire is hot
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    kinsmanstoves Minister of Fire

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    If something bad happens you can be in a little trouble with insurance, code officials, and the law.

    Fyi
  12. smoke show

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    I'm sure if his house burned down the first thing they would check is the control board in his pellet stove. If it survived.
  13. jtakeman

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    Not only that, But we found that just slowing the blower speed down and leaving the damper alone. The units started to produce more heat. There is a thread somewhere where we put a rheastat on the combustion blower to reduce its speed. Each stove we tried it on seemed to gain heat output. The Kozi board is doing the same thing IMHO.

    I never could find a feed rate chart on the Kozi. If you have some free time maybe time it in the all the heat ranges? Info needed would be Auger on time and the delay time between each feed. Then we could compare to the Breckwell feed chart.

    Here's a link for the board.

    http://www.countryhearthstoves.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=32&=SID

    The NPS45 board is also a close candidate, But you would need to tweak the programs feed rate for the smaller Breckwell burnpot. It has a re-programmable AVR that if someone new the code, It could be adjusted accordingly. I have the programmer, But never did read the chip and did any playing. I don't know coding at all. But have programmed chips in the past.
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    You would hope not. At least he did not post it on Facebook or something similar.

    Eric
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    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Board still retains all the factory safeties. Only differance is feed rate and variable blowers. Don't you have a stove to clean before it burns your house down?
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    Hold on I smell smoke. My bad it is bacon.
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    no..mine is not digital...
  18. jtakeman

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    It still can be done. Breckwell has a retrofit kit, You would need a wiring harness from the upgrade kit(I'll see if I can find a part number) and The new digital board.
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    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Don, Can you get these and offer a hearth discount for the members? I think you might be selling a few! ;)
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    If my stove is a source of a fire and burns up, the homemade boiler I installed in the stove will get me in far more trouble then the board will. The Breckwell and Kozi board look basically identical side by side. My Kozi board has a switch to select the different modes, so I could swap the Kozi skin with the Breckwell skin and it would look factory. Like I said though, my boiler conversion will get me in trouble long before the control board.
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    I did see that a few times. Breckwell has a "update" for that older board that should essential be no issue to the UL rating since it is approved by the OEM
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    I will try to get the rates. It is supposed to warm up mid week into the 60's and might be a good time to do some tinkering.

    When I first put the board in and fired it up, I told you the burn pot filled almost all the way up before lighting. I shut it down yesterday to clean it, mainly to see how it was burning, and when I fired it back up, it filled the pot "normal", half way when it lit. Almost seems like it's getting better the more it runs. I'm sure it can't learn but, it almost seems as if it did.
  24. jtakeman

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    Here is the wiring harness numbers from the C-E-950 Circuit Board Upgrade Kit to upgrade the analog stoves.
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    C-E-UH1000 wiring harness.

    Maybe our buddy don2222 can help us here too?
  25. smoke show

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    I guess I should have used the sarcastic font. haha. i was just poking fun. i think thats great. maybe jay is useful after all?

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