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best substrate for tile countertop

Post in 'DIY and General non-hearth advice' started by saichele, Mar 8, 2008.

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  1. saichele

    saichele Minister of Fire

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    Following up onthe last thread, what's the best backer for a tile countertop? I need to be able to cut a fairly clean hole for the sink.

    Under consideration are particle board, wafer board, BC plywood, and that cement board stuff. The BC is considerably more expensive, the others are all about the same.

    Any opinions welcome.

    Thanks.

    Steve

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  2. mikeyny

    mikeyny Feeling the Heat

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    I do quite of bit of tile work and never use anything but a tile backer. The cement board is good. 1/4 inch over 5/8 plywood should be fine. There are other types of backer board that may be easier to cut cleanly for the sink opening. One of the problems with using any type of wood based substrate directly under the tile is that it will suck the moisture out of the thinset adhesive quickly. It may actually skim over before you get to set some of the tile if you are not quick enough and they will not get a very good bond. Also make sure you use thinset to set the backer board in and then screw it to the underlayment.

    Mike
  3. nshif

    nshif New Member

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    I use 1/2" ply with 1/4" cement board ( hardi backer or duroc ) and works fine. Might go to 5/8 if I have long spans or add streachers to the caninets if needed
  4. saichele

    saichele Minister of Fire

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    Thanks. I'll try to work with the cement board. Snapping it seems straight forward, but any tips on cutting a hole for the sink? Jigsaw, rotary tool?

    Thanks
    Steve
  5. nshif

    nshif New Member

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    I cut it with a Skil saw ( wear a dust mask and eye protection ) If you need a radias on the corners a jig saw or router will work
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    I would use Hardi-backer over Duroc for this type of installation. Easier to work with, and you can use a sabre saw to get a clean cut.
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    If you really need a clean cut in the durock, use a dry diamond blade in the cutting tool of your choice (4" angle grinder, circ saw, etc) it will also come in handy if you need to make any 'odd' cuts in the tile - ie anything besides a 'score-and-snap' cut.
  8. ChipTam

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    I use 3/4" plywood followed by 1/2" duroc (cement board). If you want to avoid problems later, you want the substrate to be rock solid with no flex. As Mike notes, be sure to use thin set and screws to adhere the ducoc to the plywood. There are special screws for duroc. Ask for them when you buy the duroc. There is also a special hand cutter for the duroc (looks something like a linoleum cutter). You need to score both sides and then snap the duroc like you do with drywall. You can dress the edge with an old oil stone. Cutting it this way, you'll avoid all the dust which a skill saw would produce. You can cut out the hole for a sink in the plywood but the duroc is a bit too fragile for this. Just adhere pieces of scrap duroc to the front and back of the sink cut-out. Good luck.

    Chip
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