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  1. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    What methods have you found to work well when starting in an E/W stove?

    I saw some people chop some splits in half and load those N/S to create a criss-cross for the top-down. That sounds like a good idea, but a bit labor intensive. So, is there a better, or similarly effective, way?

    I'll be lighting my first real fire tonight. The break-in fire happened last night and things went relatively well.

    Thanks.

    Lou
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  2. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,069 posts
    N.E. Penna
    Here's a Canadian perspective



    pen
  3. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    Oh yeah, thanks Pen! I've seen that video, but for some reason my brain told me they constructed a crisscross top-down. If it works for them, it oughta work for me.

    I'll try the Canadian method tonight.
  4. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,069 posts
    N.E. Penna
    Personally, I've tried top down and became quite successful with it, and agree that it is the cleanest way I can find to start the stove (smallest amount of smoke from the chimney).

    That said, if I want to start a fire quickly I do a modified approach and seldom do a true top down, especially now that I use fire starters.

    pen
  5. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    Is there a thread where you describe your modified method? Or is it irrelevant due to my E/W constraints?
  6. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,069 posts
    N.E. Penna
    I move the ash to the left and right sides of the stoves, leaving a tunnel from the dog house air under the splits. I place a few small pieces of kindling in this N-S tunnel, then place a fire starter on top, then load EW above that.

    Doesn't start up nearly as cleanly as a top down approach, but I find it faster.

    pen
  7. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    Interesting. I'll give that a try too. I like the experimentation associated with all this.
  8. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    I place 2 peaces of kindling N/S then a few splits on top E/W.

    I do the same on reloads but with out a fire starter.
  9. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    Thanks. Do you put the fire starter on top or underneath?
  10. corey21 Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 28, 2010
    2,208 posts
    Soutwest VA
    Underneath i know it is not top down and it smokes some but it is what works for me.
  11. loudog Member

    joined: Oct 8, 2012
    104 posts
    Massachusetts
    Yeah, whatever works best. I'm not committed to top-down, or any method. I like the low smoke emission aspect of the top-down for sure, but like you said, what works best for you.
  12. Augie Member

    joined: Nov 8, 2012
    179 posts
    North Of Canada
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  13. argali66 New Member

    joined: Aug 10, 2012
    41 posts
    Orland, Maine
    Here is how I do it and the fire starts right up every time.

    (2) Logs on Bottom North South Close Placed 3-4 Inches Apart
    (2) Logs on Top East and West Close Together (2"s of Space)
    (2) 1/4 Pieces of Super Cedar in Between the East and West and Underneath the North South

    Light Supercedar and leave door cracked with Air on Full, Secondary Open and Dampers Open.
    Close door 10 Minutes later or as soon as the fire is raging.

    After fire gets going set Air at normal position (almost closed).
    Close Stove's Damper
    Close Side Door Vent

    If Fire is going strong enough still partially-to full close stove pipe damper.

    Should = Long Hot Burn
  14. begreen Super Moderator

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    36,118 posts
    South Puget Sound, WA
    +1 In the Castine, which was strictly E/W I would lay a couple 2" sleepers down like corey, about 6" apart, then build E/W on top of them. Even in the T6, I always start with a north/south fire, then build east/wet on top of that if desired.
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  15. HollowHill Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 29, 2009
    621 posts
    Central NY
    I also use the Canadian approach, modified to use a Super Cedar instead of paper, and find that it works very well.
  16. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,280 posts
    Northern Illinois

    You...uh...giving up the "tunnel of love" description??;lol
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  17. Huntindog1 Minister of Fire

    joined: Dec 6, 2011
    1,043 posts
    South Central Indiana
  18. begreen Super Moderator

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    36,118 posts
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Shh, getting the trademark registered.
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  19. remkel Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 21, 2010
    1,433 posts
    Southwest NH
    Sometimes I think this whole fire starting thing gets overcomplicated.......crumple up 6 or 7 pieces of newspaper, put small kindling on top of it, some slightly larger pieces on that, light the paper and add larger pieces once that kindling gets going well.

    As my wife often tells me, don't over think it......

    Good luck.
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  20. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,922 posts
    Northern Virginia
    I can't crumple up Google News.>>
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  21. Dustin Feeling the Heat

    joined: Sep 3, 2008
    268 posts
    Western Oregon
    I place two small splits NS, two more EW with the super cedar in between the EW splits. Light super cedar then place two more NS splits right above it. It catches quick and the secondaires light off faster.

    I tried the tunnel of love method thought too, the other half likes that one because its easy on her and requires no splitting
  22. bag of hammers Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 7, 2010
    596 posts
    Northern ON
    LOL - sounds like your wife and my wife could probably share a few laughs at our expense. I'm good at turning molehills into mountains
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  23. pen Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2007
    6,069 posts
    N.E. Penna
    But at the end of the day, our trials and tribulations experienced while making this more complicated than it may seem to be, often result in the significant other gaining inside information on how to make things work well in our absence.

    pen
  24. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    21,922 posts
    Northern Virginia
    For sure. Don't even mention kindling and newspaper to my wife after she saw a Super Cedar top down fire start. And the stove door not opened again for four hours.
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  25. Todd Minister of Fire

    joined: Nov 19, 2005
    8,793 posts
    Lake Wissota
    This is what I do, start out with a good pile of 1-2" kindling and a fire starter. Burn it hot to get your chimney and draft going, continue burning til you have a good coal bed, rake it forward and fill the stove as desired. I feel there is no need to start out with any splits at the beginning, a good pile of kindling will get things going and then you have a nice established coal bed to reload upon.
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