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Posted By webby3650,
Oct 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM
480lbs?? Where are the missing 300 lbs?
Where are your missing 15 hours of burn time!
What stove weighs 780 lbs?
Yeah the Progress is just 700 pounds. The pallet doesn't count.
And what exactly is the benefit of the extra weight? Bragging rights I guess, but I'd rather have longer burn times!
Different strokes for different folks.
I agree completely!
Just tell her you'll stop buying new stoves whenever she stops buying new shoes.
Actually, BAR's line worked, almost scary fast. I tried it the other night. I'm used to winning these debates, but not without a very long process of wearing her down, first.
The trouble is, I'm not quite finished admiring these beautiful Jotul Firelights, just yet. Had this stove been available when I was desperately trying to find an attractive looking top-vent, front-load, cat stove a year ago, I think I might have bought one. Unfortunately, the release was delayed a full year, and I just couldn't wait. Now that I have the dueling Firelights installed at each end of the house, it's going to take a lot for me to want to replace them anytime real soon.
Machria..., Just be be happy with your stove............Its a good stove ...... Its just not as good as a Blaze King
Perfectly happy with the PH, and also LOVE the big BK's as long heaters in the SHOULDER seasons. BUT, what I don't like, is the misconception you folks often try to pervey that you are getting these 24 hour burns during the dead of winter, when that is not true. While the BK's do get great 24+ burns at LOW settings, and put out very little heat while doing so (which is a good thing since it's not very cold out), they do NOT get anywhere even near 24 hour burn times when it's in the 20's. At those times, they get almost the exact same burn times as the PH, only they tend to burn a bit more wood during that time(which is a bad thing of course). I have close personal comparison experience with it, since my buddy has the BK king. And he LOVES it by the way, for the reasons I just stated. And I would also love to have the ability for those 24 hour low burns, the PH can't do it without baking you out of the house. But lets keep the facts correct on burn times so new folks researching can make good decisions.
As an example, my next door neighbor recently read some of this "hype", and thought if he put in a BK, he would heat his entire 2800 sq ft house all winter long with 24-36 hour burns. He was well on his way to finding a dealer when I stopped him in his tracks with reality. He has no wood, no splitter, no source for wood, no yard to store wood, no money (out of work), and does not know how to use a screwdriver. I think you see the picture...
Sorry, just keeping it real.
I'm not trying to mislead anyone. In fact the opposite is what was my intention. I've had lots of these new stoves and lots of the old ones. When I put a new one in and report on it, I'm doing my comparisons based on my experience with my stoves as well as stoves that I come in contact with in the field on a daily basis. I really don't have much attachment to any stove and always looking for the next best stove to try out. What I'm saying is, opinion is unbiased. I have no reason to mislead anyone.
With all the stoves I've used, Blaze King is the only one that achieved its published burn times with ease and would exceed it on occasion. The others were able to get their published burn times but it certainly was a stretch most of the time, and certainly took a lot more attention.
I was able to heat 2200 square feet in the dead of winter with the King model and consistently got 24 hr burns. Everyone will not be able to do that nor should it be expected that everyone will have the same results. There are a lot of factors to take into account.
How about a stove trifecta?
Hmmm..................Why are you saying this ? You don't have a Blaze King so therefore you have no direct experience with one................I got around 20 hours with my BK Chinook 30 when it was in the 20's and 30's outside..............Sure, Its my experience and everyone's experience is going to vary........but It is my experience ........So its possible that this stove can get this kind of burn time....Right ? ..........Just don't want you to mislead anyone.with your statement.. Because its NOT the truth.
Not everyone is getting 24 hour burns in the dead of winter with the BK.........Like Webby said , there are a lot of factors that determine what your results will be...........BUT....There are people getting those burn times and heating their house at the same time.. Just because your friend is not getting them does not make it gospel and make you an expert.
That's keeping it real
P.S. I have had the Progress Hybrid and the BK Chinook 30 and a Lennox Grandview............In my experience with the three stoves , the Blaze King was the only one that received the advertised burn times.
I thought I had the wife sold on that a year or two ago, but now she's back-pedaling on that one. I have Firelights at either end of the house, and had planned to re-install a wood cookstove in the central kitchen, when we get to re-doing the kitchen. One sat there from 1894 until roughly 1994, but the previous owners pulled it out. In any case, my wife is now pressing the idea of using the space where the stove would sit for a kitchen table.
Last year I got consistent 24 hour burns with my Princess all Winter long and it kept my 1000 sq ft finished basement above 70 the whole time.
If I tried to heat the upper floor with it I had to burn it hotter and it cut my burn times down to 12 hours or similar to burning a large non cat.
From my experience I think you could get away with consistent 24 hour burns with a BK all Winter long in a smaller well insulated home of say less than 1500 sq ft. You don't have to worry about over sizing your stove with a BK.
The BK is more efficient than the PH. As such, you will use less wood for a given heat output.
Oh and even the little princess is rated for 30 hours, not 24. The King can do 40. These stoves are the two highest efficiency stoves on the market and the designs are pretty old. That fancy new PH only managed to tie the princess and is unable to achieve long burn times.
Without the rest of us calling BS, there would be no keeping it real. How did this thread become PH related anyway?
This is why I insisted on going with catalytic stoves, as this is common to most cat stoves. BK just takes things a step farther than the rest, with a thermostatic control that actually works.
You missed hearth.com bylaw 2013.03c.4102, which states that a Woodstock fanboy must chime into every thread introducing a new stove from any competitor, to state it shall not be better than a Progress Hybrid.
With the stat set at 2 (medium), it's true for me. All winter. 1560 SF house. In a much colder climate than Long Island. With very seasoned oak, hard maple, beech, ironwood, hickory. On different occasions, I have weighed each individual piece prior to loading, and have fit 100 lbs of wood into the thing with careful wood geometry in the confines of the firebox. It lasts a while. I fill it only once per day, at night before bed.
I have no reason to exagerate or deceive anyone on this forum, that's just the way it is.
Webby, how does the glass look after a low burn?? Just curious about the view window air wash on the new stove. It looks good and may be able to add it to the short list!!
Dirty, like most cat stoves during a low burn. It seems to stay cleaner the higher its ran. I haven't had a chance to really let it rip though, it's been too warm.
Gotcha, thanks Webby, I was afraid of that. I like the long burn times but the wife likes to see the fire/flames. I guess I am back to the Cape Cod and waiting for more info on the new Woodstock steel stove.
Well, you can always run the BK without turning it down so low. Run at the same consumption rate as a Cape Cod, I anticipate the BK's glass would stay clean, too. It's nice to have the option to burn lower, when conditions call for it, though.
You bk guys are bringing in the PH. Hmmmm, wonder why? I didn't.
I just mentioned the REAL burn times folks are getting in the BK's. I did not compare a PH. But since you guys brought it up; My neighbor 3 doors down has a bk king. He is burning more wood than he can get. He burned 3 times the wood I did last year, and he burns about the same I do, about 75% of the time. His house is 2600 ft, mine is only about 2200 or so. But, mine is on stilts, up off ground (no insulating ground....), and has a top floor of 75% glass, 30 year old drafty glass that has been replaced poorly (the replacement glass does not fit properly).
He loves his king, now, and in the spring he loved it. He was not a very happy camper in the dead of winter. I personally would love to have a bk in the shoulder seasons, and the PH in Winter. That would be the best of both worlds.
The bk is a great stove. Id love to build a house with a basement, designed for wood heating with proper air flow to upper floors..... Ideal for wood heating, and stick a big bk down there hidden away heating. Then just put a little ornamental stove just for affect in the living room area for "fun". But I know I would be feeding it in the winter!