True. But most reasonable people comment on the actual regulation not just the headline.in all fairness, we have all commented on how we see these new regulations (and by implication how we see those who implemented them), even though most of us don't live there.
Exactly!! This is my interpretation as well. I was surprised how vague it and short it was. It will take quite some time to write the actual regulations.So , depending on who is calling the shots, this aim of eliminating the sale of certain small engines might not take place for many, many years - or as soon as 2 years.
Now there's going to be a lot of judgement calls because it adds:
I think my chainsaw has one!how much a mini cat converter would help?
Cars didn't really get clean until the 70's with the forced introduction of cats and unleaded fuel. On the other hand the now old 6.2 Ford Raptor had enough emissions equipment to render the exhaust gasses cleaner than the intake air from Los Angeles (not a high bar admittedly). I think my wife's Fiat 500 Abarth with 1.4l turbo I4 has worse emissions than that same F150 Raptor with 6.2l V8. I don't think the tiny cats on outdoor power equipment really helps very much, and it's not like they ever get replaced. Plus there are a group of people who actively seek to remove emissions components from their OPE, tractors, vehicles, etc.Modern cars are that clean. Old cars were as dirty as the lawnmower (50s cars?). Regulations have resulted in improvements in cars - and not as much in small engines as mowers.
Interesting article. That's probably the type of data that motivated the governor and legislature to approve such a law.Cars didn't really get clean until the 70's with the forced introduction of cats and unleaded fuel. On the other hand the now old 6.2 Ford Raptor had enough emissions equipment to render the exhaust gasses cleaner than the intake air from Los Angeles (not a high bar admittedly). I think my wife's Fiat 500 Abarth with 1.4l turbo I4 has worse emissions than that same F150 Raptor with 6.2l V8. I don't think the tiny cats on outdoor power equipment really helps very much, and it's not like they ever get replaced. Plus there are a group of people who actively seek to remove emissions components from their OPE, tractors, vehicles, etc.
If I ever find the article from Car and Driver where they measured the emissions I will post it. They also talk about how much dirtier lawn mowers and stuff like that are.
Edit: Turns out the article was Edmunds, and that's why I could not find it.
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Your comment reminded me of the post. It was eye opening for me as well.Interesting article. That's probably the type of data that motivated the governor and legislature to approve such a law.
It also isn't a scholarly study.What that's Edmunds article doesn't clarify is if those emissions are in g/hp or if that is total emissions. Generally in the automotive world emissions are rated in g/hp-hr. Being that the vehicles are being run on a Dyno I have suspicion believe this number is being calculated as g/hp-hr.
For example tier 4 diesel engines are required to emit less than 0.02g/hp-hr of PM which seems like a very small number, but a Cummins X15 for example in a semi is allowed to output 12.1 grams per hour of PM at full load.
A local machine shop did tell me that if a dealer is found out to be selling equipment to out-of-state folks, say a Honda dealer in Oregon sells to lots of Californians, that store could lose their dealership. Now how that would found out , is a question. Perhaps via excessive warranty claims filed in California for machines initially warranted in Oregon or Nevada?I live in Nor Cal. Did not read the full legislation but did some quick research several days ago. 25 hp engines and below will no longer be sold in California as of Jan 1 2024. This includes generators, lawnmowers and other equipment. Farmers are exempt.
Reno Nevada is only 90 mins away and will get my business. Unless of course, California sets up check points in Interstate 80 . Yeah, that sounds crazy but California politicians are crazy and like more govt and control.
Honestly. I have a battery powered leaf blower. My dad has a chainsaw and I really don't think I will be buying any more small gas equipment anyway.
But can you provide a link saying those will all be banned by 2024? That is not what the legislation linked to said at all.
But you are reading articles not the actual legislation right?Their are many articles about this. I never mentioned chainsaws although that could be possible because Newscum wants professional landscapers to use battery powered equipment. What I read does mention small engines 25hp or less and generators and lawn mowers.... Like all else, time will tell exactly what will be enforced.
But you are reading articles not the actual legislation right?
A local machine shop did tell me that if a dealer is found out to be selling equipment to out-of-state folks, say a Honda dealer in Oregon sells to lots of Californians, that store could lose their dealership. Now how that would found out , is a question. Perhaps via excessive warranty claims filed in California for machines initially warranted in Oregon or Nevada?
Wait and see what happens with the law. Perhaps they'll ban gas leaf blowers in 2024, but likely not pro-level lawn mowers, chainsaws, etc. There are a lot of unknowns written into the law that will have to play out with time.
Nothing like kicking one of the more less polluting countries in the knees versus say one like China or something. Right?it’s all been turned over to the CARB now. Anyone can speculate but until they release draft rules it’s just that. It’s going to take time. I find corporate entities threatening dealers for not checking IDs a stretch right now. They are probably consumed with supply chain and distribution issues. People work in more than one state. The state that issues your drivers license is your home but you follow the rules where you work. Possession of the small ICE is not a crime. Even in CA.
Like it or not air quality and emissions are deem a global issue that needs addressed. This is likely to be the first of many steps.
How is this kicking anyone in the knees? And the argument that we might as well do nothing because others are worse than us is just absurd I am sorry.Nothing like kicking one of the more less polluting countries in the knees versus say one like China or something. Right?
I have no kids to worry about but for those of you who do......
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