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  1. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    Found this in the gearbox of my snowblower. Now I have to remove rusted in 1/4" roll pins- tried pb blaster, heat, kinetics. I understand that mechanics or machinists may use a hydraulic press?
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  2. Dune Minister of Fire

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  3. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    Tried that. It looks like removal is a common problem
  4. btuser Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 15, 2009
    1,884 posts
    The island of Rhum Boogie
    A little JB Weld will set you right again.

    Little stick'em, Little Vicks and you'll be right as rain.
  5. Scotty Overkill firewood hoarder

    joined: Sep 24, 2011
    7,156 posts
    central PA
    the old rototillers used a brass bullgear also, I've seen many of those bust the teeth off and they were a b*tch to get off of the shaft.....
    I'd use a little heat, then if you can, put the part of the shaft with the split ring in it over a socket large enough to punch the pin into it. you'll definately need a pin punch, or maybe you can find some steel rod that's the same diameter. But a pin punch will be better. I'd soak it good with a catalyst spray, then put a little heat to it before driving it out...
  6. ironpony Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 22, 2010
    1,405 posts
    mid-ohio
    the gear is probably designed to be the weak link, now getting it apart to change it is another story. soaking, heat and pin punch as stated above. Mke sure it is a straight sided pin not tapered, which means it will only come out from one side, not likely but possible.
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  7. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    I'm replacing the whole gearbox, at a cost of $300. This was in my snowblower- I sucked up a big flat rock evenly with both augers, which jammed both sleeves against the auger drive shaft so that the shear pins didn't pop. The snowblower is 10 yrs old, but it's an Ariens and has never given me a lick of trouble- I think I'll get another 10 out of it with this fix.

    The roll pins hold the impeller to the shaft connected to the gearbox. Not that they would see some harsh conditions clearing my 250' driveway in NH for 10 years, but there may be a tad bit of corrosion. If I can't do it in another couple of sessions with it- I'll bring it to a machinist.
  8. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,504 posts
    Northern Illinois
    Got two pairs of vice grips? Get them oriented so that you are collapsing the gap on the roll pin. Just breaking loose the connection of pin to hole will help a bunch.
  9. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    I wish I could- they're pretty close to flush with the hole
  10. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,504 posts
    Northern Illinois
    Hmmm...my next step would be to beat the hell out of it.::-)
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  11. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    I'd drill it out, but it's got a real hard temper and it's at a weird angle. That $83 for a new impeller dont look so bad right now, except for coming after $300 for the gearbox.
  12. BrotherBart He Who Moderates

    joined: Nov 18, 2005
    22,174 posts
    Northern Virginia
    As a former aviation mechanic I can assure you that there is nothing that can't be fixed with a bigger hammer. Out of the sight of pilots.
  13. Jags Super Moderator

    joined: Aug 2, 2006
    11,504 posts
    Northern Illinois
    I have never been able to drill one out. I think the pins are harder than the drill bits.;lol
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  14. WES999 Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 12, 2008
    768 posts
    Mass north of Boston
    If you can get to it with a drill,l a carbide tipped masonry drill may work.
    For frozen/rusted parts there is no substitute for the" blue flame wrench".
  15. Dune Minister of Fire

    A little more info...a pic would help immensely.

    I assume the pins sit above the surface of the shaft somewhat, at this time?

    What heat source have you used so far?

    Penetrants? Heating then cooling with a stream of penetrating oil?

    Can you cut the pin flush with the shaft then file it flat?

    Use the correct roll pin punch with an engineers hammer or a large (48 0nz. minimum) ball peen?
  16. Dune Minister of Fire

  17. ironpony Minister of Fire

    joined: Jan 22, 2010
    1,405 posts
    mid-ohio
    also what will help is when striking the roll pin with the punch, back up the shaft behind the pin with a large hammer so the blow is solid not bouncing. might take 2 people.
  18. greg13 Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 5, 2012
    379 posts
    CNY
    Grind the pin flush with the shaft. Use a taper punch to break it loose, then a pin punch to drive it through. BIG hammer if needed. I've never had one that I couldn't move.
  19. Adios Pantalones Minister of Fire

    Got the pins out, now working on the impeller
  20. MasterMech Minister of Fire

    joined: Aug 2, 2011
    4,972 posts
    Hudson Valley NY
    WINNER!!!!!! I'll personally vouch for roll pin punches as being the best way to get 'em out. That combined with a dead-blow ballpeen hammer and I've not had any roll pins I couldn't get out, yet. Big difference from going at it with a standard drift punch, also called a "pin punch" at times. Roll pin punches have balls on the ends.

    Air hammers with the right tool in them can work wonders to. Mine hits about 3600 times faster than I can. >>

    A good support jig and something sized appropriately to press the pin out via hydraulics would be a slam dunk last resort solution for me.
  21. greg13 Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 5, 2012
    379 posts
    CNY
    I use a taper punch to break them loose, than a pin punch. I have bent too many pin punches breaking seized pins loose.

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